Info and research on prenerf greens (Outdated)

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    When it comes to prenerf greens, the Wiki and the legacy threads are kinda lacking so I decided to compile a list of all the currently known prenerf greens.

    Please note that this list is still a work in progress, feel free to check your own greens and to contribute !

    CONFIRMED prenerf greens with different stats - 4

    Name
    Type Location Update IG Info
    Screenshot
    Ziinjuu's Sanctuary Staff Faction - Shing Jea 09/12/2006
    X Totally different stats Link
    Wroth's Holy Rod Wand Prophecies - SF 09/12/2006 X Totally different stats, different color Link
    Wayward wands (*5) Wand Faction - End reward 24/04/2008 X Unobtainable stat combo : DF/Heal, DF/Prot, Domi/Inspi, Illu/Inspi, SP/resto Link
    Faith Staff Faction - WoC 2012 ? The prenerf version is lacking it's 20% HSR Link

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    CONFIRMED prenerf green with a different mod order (and sometimes a different color) - 25

    Name Type Location IG Info Screenshot
    Kepkhet's Refuge Staff Prophecies - World X Different mod order Link
    Wenslauss' Faith Staff Prophecies - ToPK
    X Different mod order Link
    Illyana's Staff Staff Prophecies - ToPK
    X Different mod order Link
    Milius' Pillar Staff Prophecies - ToPK X Different mod order Link
    Kole's Torment Staff Prophecies - ToPK X Different mod order Link
    Willcrusher Staff Prophecies - SF X Different mod order, different color Link
    Brohn's Staff Staff Prophecies - SF X Different mod order Link
    Gorrel's Staff Staff Prophecies - SF X Different mod order Link
    Kaolin Domination Staff Staff Faction - Main island X Different mod order, slightly different color, slightly different icon Link
    Kaolin Protection Staff Staff Faction - Main island Different mod order (color to be confirmed) Link (Ger)
    Kaolin Water Staff Staff Faction - Main island X Different mod order, slightly different color, slightly different icon Link 1

    Link 2
    Kaolin Accursed Staff Staff Faction - Main island X Different mod order (same color) Link
    Kyril's Fervor Staff Faction - Main island X Different mod order, different color (shaft) Link
    Milthuran's Staff Staff Faction - Main island X Different mod order, different color (shaft) Link 1

    Link 2
    Jayne's Staff Staff Faction - Main island X Different mod order, slightly different color (handle), slightly different icon Link
    Scourgewind's Branch
    Staff
    Faction - Main island
    X
    Different mod order, slightly different color (handle), slightly different icon
    Link 1

    Link 2
    Stoneweaver Staff Faction - Main island X Different mod order, slightly different color (handle) Link 1

    Link 2
    The Stonereaper
    Staff
    Faction - Main island
    X
    Different mod order, slightly different color, slightly different icon
    Link
    Spiritgarden's Repose Staff Faction - Main island X Different mod order but exact same color Link
    Kaswa's Gluttony Staff Faction - Main island Different mod order (color to be confirmed) Link (Ger)
    Siska's Staff Staff Faction - Main island Different mod order (color to be confirmed) Link (Ger)
    Ghial's Staff Staff Faction - Main island X Different mod order (slightly different color) Link
    Kenrii's Sorrow Staff Faction - Main island X Different mod order Link
    Hukhrah's Staff Staff Faction - Main island X Different mod order, different color Link
    Arius' Sai Daggers Faction - Main island +5e inherent at the bottom. Only known non-staff with a diff mod order. Link
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    CONFIRMED prenerf green with a different Color only - 65

    NameTypeLocationIGInfoScreenshot
    HandsmasherStaffProphecies - SF XDifferent colorLink
    Flint's ArtifactFocusProphecies - SFXDifferent color. The prenerf is way more green. There might also exist one with a different icon (see here)Link
    The SoulstoneFocusProphecies - SFXVery different color (the prenerf is light fushia and the current is dark purple)Link
    Gorrel's CaneWandProphecies - SFXDifferent color, the prenerf has a pink/purple tint. And the current version is grey. Link
    Forgotten FanFocusProphecies - WorldXDifferent color, different inventory iconLink
    Ogre slaying KnifeSwordProphecies - TopKXDifferent color. There might also exist one with a different icon (see here)Link
    VeraHammerFaction - Main IslandXVery very small color difference (handle).Link
    Lians'LanternFocusFaction - Main IslandXDifferent color, the current version is greenerLink
    Strongroot's ShelterShieldFaction - Main IslandXDifferent color (prenerf=darker), different inventory iconLink 1
    Link 2
    The Time EaterFocusFaction - Main IslandXDifferent colorLink
    Bazzr's WailWandFaction - Main IslandXDifferent colorLink
    Byzzr's BenedictionFocusFaction - Main IslandXDifferent colorLink
    Zarnas' WrathFocusFaction - Main islandDifferent color/
    Tahkayun's PincersDaggersFaction - Shing JeaXDifferent color, different inventory iconLink
    Chkkr's PincersDaggersFaction - Main IslandXDifferent color, different inventory icon (same as Thakayun)Link
    Brohn's Holy RodWandProphecies - SFXDifferent colorLink
    The Scar EaterStaffFaction - Main IslandXVery very small color differenceLink
    The StonehartFocusProphecies - SFXVery different colorLink
    The YakslapperStaffProphecies - SFXDifferent color (handle)Link
    Ziinfaun's BeliefWandFaction - Main IslandXDifferent colorLink
    Kole's GauntletFocusProphecies - TopKXDifferent colorLink
    Rot's PutrescenceFocusFaction - Main IslandXDifferent colorLink
    Sourbeak's TaintFocusFaction - Main IslandXDifferent colorLink
    The ShadestoneFocusProphecies - SFXDifferent colorLink
    Kai's SwordSwordFaction - Main IslandXSlightly different color (handle)Link
    Merki's GazeShieldFaction - Main IslandXDifferent color and different icon colorLink
    Sskai's SwordSwordFaction - Main IslandXSlightly different color (handle)Link
    Tarnen's ShieldShieldFaction - Main IslandXDifferent colorLink
    Victo's MaulHammerProphecies - TopKXSlightly different color (handle)Link
    Galigord's Stone ScrollFocusProphecies - SFXSlightly different color (rings around the crystals)Link
    Koosun's Fire StaffStaffFaction - Main IslandXDifferent color (greener)Link
    Runar's Brimstone StaffStaffProphecies - SFXDifferent color (metal part)Link
    The Pain EaterFocusFaction - Main IslandXSlightly different color Link
    Daggers of XuekaoDaggersFaction - Main IslandXSlightly different color (handle)Link
    Kaolin DaggersDaggersFaction - Main IslandXSlightly different color (darker)Link
    Shreader's TalonsDaggersFaction - Main IslandXDifferent color, different inventory iconLink
    Vokur's ChakramFocusProphecies - SFXDifferent color (darker)Link
    Vokur's CaneWandProphecies - SFXDifferent color (darker)Link
    Razortongue's Recurve BowBowFaction - Main IslandXSlightly different colorLink
    Garbok's ChaliceFocusProphecies - SFXDifferent colorLink
    Wing's AxeAxeFaction - Main IslandXDifferent color (handle)Link
    The BrimstoneFocusProphecies - SFXDifferent colorLink
    Baubao's ShellShieldFaction - Main IslandXDifferent colorLink
    Orosen's StaffStaffFaction - Main IslandXDifferent color (handle)Link
    Vokur's StaffStaffProphecies - SFXDifferent colorLink
    Illyana's MirrorFocusProphecies-TopKXDifferent colorLink
    Korvald's ChakramFocusProphecies - SFXDifferent colorLink
    WingstormFocusFaction - Main IslandXDifferent colorLink
    Ritual Lord's StaffStaffFaction - Main IslandXDifferent colorLink
    Mossbeard's WandWandFaction - Main IslandXDifferent colorLink
    Kaolin WandWandFaction - Main IslandXDifferent colorLink
    Kenshi's Butterfly DaggersDaggersFaction - Main IslandXDifferent colorLink
    Frozen FanFocusProphecies - GeneralXDifferent colorLink
    Tarlok's FlagonFocusFaction - Main IslandXDifferent colorLink
    Shen's CensureFocusFaction - Main IslandXDifferent colorLink
    Incetol's FocusFocusFaction - Main IslandXDifferent colorLink
    Gordac's Holy RodWandProphecies - SFXDifferent colorLink
    Bortak's Bone CestaFocusProphecies - SFXDifferent colorLink
    Woe SpreaderStaffFaction - Main IslandXDifferent colorLink
    The StonebreakerHammerFaction - Main IslandXVery different colorLink
    The Ugly StickHammerFaction - Main IslandXDifferent colorLink
    Jacqui's AegisShieldFaction - Main IslandXDifferent colorLink
    Brimstone WandWandProphecies - SFXDifferent colorLink
    Galigord's RodWandProphecies - SFXDifferent colorLink
    Flint's FleshcleaverStaffProphecies - SFXDifferent colorLink
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    POTENTIAL prenerf green with different stats, contribution needed

    Sahan Staff.

    See more info here : RE: Info and research on prenerf greens (updated 29 Sept)

    POTENTIAL prenerf green with a different mod order, contribution needed

    Buldgeoner Link (Fr) and Gordac Needle, see more info in the new official thread

    POTENTIAL prenerf green with a different color, contribution needed

    The list was outdated and has been removed.

    List of green that have been changed/updated (the old version doesn't exist anymore unless proven otherwise)

    NameUpdateInfoLink
    The Rockmolder13/06/2006Used to have 20% HSR instead of 10%.Link
    Shiro's blades20/12/2006Used to be req 15 instead of req Q13./
    Shiro's Sword20/12/2006Used to be req 15 instead of req Q13./
    Hassin's Shell20/12/2006Used to give +10 armor instead of +8./
    Stygian Recurve Bow27/09/2007Used to behave like a longbow instead of a recurved bow./
    WiK greens25/05/2010For a short period of time WiK greens could be upgraded. All were fixed.Link
    Imperial Dragon SpearAround 2012Used to have +20% ench and +30hp. All were fixed
    Phoenix's Retribution16/02/2012Used to drop without an inscription. All were fixed.Link
    Iceblood's Warstaff???Originally featured a single HCT 40% mod, instead of two HCT 20% modsLink
    Fervorborn Staff???Originally misspelled as "Ferverborn Staff." All were corrected.Link

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    Edited 114 times, last by Oldschool Cool (December 19, 2021 at 6:47 PM).

  • Oldschool Cool November 12, 2020 at 12:36 AM

    Changed the title of the thread from “Info and research on prenerf greens” to “Info and research on prenerf greens (in progress)”.
  • Recently gained two prenerf staves from an inactive friend (free of charge!) Adding confirmation for Wenslauss' Faith, which is already listed here. And providing proof of a prenerf "The Stonereaper" here, which as of yet wasn't listed in this thread. This leads me to suspect there is a prenerf "Stoneweaver" as well, probably with the enchant mod on the bottom, as all three bosses (including Zarnas) are right next to each other.

    Prenerf Wenslauss' (health mod on bottom)

    Postnerf Stonereaper (top), and prenerf Stonereaper (bottom). Note the stat swap and icon color difference.

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  • That's a great find, I will add it to the list !

    I guess we can see some kind of a pattern with the mixed mod order : it's always the last 2 mod of the staff. So far we have confirmed that the +20% ench can change (Kepkhet, Kyril), the +30 hp (Milius, Illyana, Wenslauss etc) and the +1/20% (Kaolin and now Stonereaper).

    That also mean that beyond those already listed, 80% of the green staves from proph or faction may have a prenerf version.

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  • Yep that's a new one for the list ! Thanks Pleikki for letting me check in game.


    But don't always trust the English Wiki, sometimes the mod order is just wrong. On Jayne for example the the wiki say : HSR / HCT prot when the real mod order is HCT prot/HSR. For Illyana staff the Wiki list +15 energy when it's in fact +10e +5e.

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  • Anyone got a recently dropped Kaolin Protection Staff to compare with mine? Color is different from Wiki atleast (more red~ish color, same with icon) and also the order of HCT + HSR is different from Wiki, but couldn't find any pictures of the actual staff ingame so maybe just typed the wrong way on Wiki I reckon? Also not sure if someone just chucked in a regular plat staff for the pictures haha.

    Also, does anyone have a recently dropped Galigord's Stone Staff to show here? I'm pretty sure the order of the mods was changed back in the days, although this could just be me remembering it incorrectly..

    Edited once, last by Coffee Man (November 17, 2020 at 9:05 PM).

  • Your Kaolin is the current version.

    Below is one that was dropped a few months ago :

    If a prenerf version exist i'm pretty sure the +1/20 prot and the +30hp are in the other order (Like the Kaolin domination staff)

    The English wiki isn't reliable when it comes to the HCT/HSR order, you can try to use the german wiki that has screenshot instead of text. For example german Galigord stone staff.

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  • But don't always trust the English Wiki, sometimes the mod order is just wrong. On Jayne for example the the wiki say : HSR / HCT prot when the real mod order is HCT prot/HSR. For Illyana staff the Wiki list +15 energy when it's in fact +10e +5e.

    The English wiki isn't reliable when it comes to the HCT/HSR order, you can try to use the german wiki that has screenshot instead of text. For example german Galigord stone staff.

    Hopefully someone will update the wiki if the information could be improved.

  • Here's a present-day Galigord staff I got within the past year. The enchant mod is indeed the last one. Can't speak for any other versions that might exist though.

    Edit: Here's a current Kaolin Prot Staff as well. I just checked the wiki page for it after what you said Coffee Man. The icon shown isn't correct. That's actually the icon for the Kaolin Accursed Staff, which is dyed black, and I think the lighter red/pinkish looking color in the photo the wiki has for the prot staff is just due to whatever lighting was on it when taken.

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    Edited once, last by Unholy (November 18, 2020 at 2:23 AM).

  • Vielen Dank German Wiki !

    As I said in my previous post the German Wiki is the only one that provide screenshots of green items, and another good thing about the Wiki is that you can access all the previous version of a picture (here for example) !

    Thanks to that I have been able to find a ton of new prenerf green staves. As all those screenshots have a baseline 20% HSR, we can confirm they actually still exist in the game.

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    Chkkr Daggers

    This confirm my suspicion that almost all the proph and faction staves have a pernerf version with mixed order (with some exception like the staves that lack and HSR or some stat combo like +5AR +5AR or +30hp +30hp). I will soon update my main post with the new staves.

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  • Oldschool Cool November 18, 2020 at 7:50 PM

    Changed the title of the thread from “Info and research on prenerf greens (in progress)” to “Info and research on prenerf greens (updated 18th November)”.
  • Oldschool Cool December 13, 2020 at 2:54 PM

    Changed the title of the thread from “Info and research on prenerf greens (updated 18th November)” to “Info and research on prenerf greens (updated 13th december)”.
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    Another kephket. Same but diffrent. It is Pre-nerf mod order on Post-nerf Color ?!

    Some one else has a explanation for that or a similar one ?

    Oldschool Cool and me have no idea on it where/when and how it comes from:/

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  • Another kephket. Same but diffrent. It is Pre-nerf mod order on Post-nerf Color ?!

    Some one else has a explanation for that or a similar one ?

    Oldschool Cool and me have no idea on it where/when and how it comes from:/

    I checked mine and I have the dark color (current) + new stats (current) so yours is a combination of old stats (prenerf) + dark color (current). Anomaly of nature it seems xD

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    Another kephket. Same but diffrent. It is Pre-nerf mod order on Post-nerf Color ?!

    Some one else has a explanation for that or a similar one ?

    Oldschool Cool and me have no idea on it where/when and how it comes from:/

    Not gonna lie you threw me a curved ball with this one.

    We know that the 25th october 2006 update (wiki link) introduced the new dye system and updated the green staves to give them a global 20% HSR instead of an attribute specific HSR.

    My theory was very simple :

    - All the greens dropped before the update were using the old dye system, and all the green dropped after the update are using the new dye system. In some case the new green have a slightly darker color than the old green. (Cf Zarnas' Wrath, Tahkayun/Chkkr, Handsmasher, Stonereaper etc)

    - When the existing green staves got updated to give them a global 20% HSR, the update somehow changed the mod order on the 2 bottom rows. Most of the staves were affected except those with duplicated mods (+5AR +5AR and +30 HP + 30 HP).

    In some case the HSR was updated on the new drops but not on the existing staves (Cf Ziinjuu's Sanctuary and mosty likely Sanhan's Staff).


    Edit : Some new addition from Unholy, turns out my theory was wrong.


    Now I don't know what to make of your Kephket... all the prenerf staves should have both a prenerf color and a prenerf mod order.

    There is only one possible explanation : the color change happened prior to the HSR change and your Kephket dropped in the interval in between the two :

    * Maybe the color of the green items was changed before the official introduction of the new dye system. For example during the nightfall world preview event in september 2006 ?).

    * Maybe the october 2006 update only affected the newly dropped staves and the HSR was changed on the existing staves during a later (and undocumented) update.

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    Edited 3 times, last by Oldschool Cool (January 15, 2021 at 6:19 PM).

  • Thanks for your contribution Cosyfiep, that's one more to add to the confirmed list !

    I checked mine and it turns out that the 2 random one I bought from Kama were using the prenerf color. I even farmed one myself right now to confirm that the current color is indeed different.

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  • Oldschool Cool January 12, 2021 at 6:35 PM

    Changed the title of the thread from “Info and research on prenerf greens (updated 13th december)” to “Info and research on prenerf greens (updated 11 th January)”.
  • Managed to acquire 4 additional pre-nerf green staves. 2 of which already confirmed here (Illyana's and Jayne's Staff), and 2 new ones, not yet listed here (Brohn's and Gorrel's Staff). The icons and colors for both versions of Brohn's and Gorrel's appear to be the same.

    Prenerf versions of all four.


    Postnerf versions of Gorrel's/Brohn's, for comparison.

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  • Oldschool Cool January 15, 2021 at 5:57 PM

    Changed the title of the thread from “Info and research on prenerf greens (updated 11 th January)” to “Info and research on prenerf greens (updated 15 th January)”.
  • Thanks a lot Unholy, I added Brohn and Gorrel to the list. We now have a total of 28 confirmed prenerf greens

    Those 2 staves also disprove my previous theory.

    I thought that the different mod order came from the 25th october 2006 update that changed 20% attribute specific HSR to a 20% global HSR. But those 2 staves... don't have an HSR, were never affected by that update and still have a different mod order !

    I also did some digging on the german wiki and was able to find this. It's screenshot of a Brohn's staff with the current mod order that was uploaded to the wiki on the 23th August 2006 !

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  • Good catch on the upload date of the current version Oldschool Cool

    The Brohn's/Gorrel's I've got have been around a hot minute then. Are you thinking other HSR prenerfs are from earlier as well now?

    Also, something that came to mind recently...forgotten fans. Once upon a time, I remember hearing/reading that there were two different colors. I want to say I used to own a version of each, but if I did, that was many years ago. I don't know if the mod order was different from one color to another, but it was like a lighter or darker version of the previous color.

    The English wiki images would suggest that was the case as well, but could just be different lighting idk.

    Not sure if there were ever varying colors to the frozen and tattered fans, but I think frozen fans/icebreakers were added with the same update as forgotten fans/totem axes, so could be?

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  • I don't know why the English Wiki (official and unofficial, both) doesn't have screenshots of the description of green items in the pages of each one like the German Wiki, I always thought that for unique items this would be helpful

    Maybe it's time to add them? I've been updating the wiki with high resolution images since a few months ago but I never added screenshots of the description for unique items because I didn't know if it was allowed, I'm going to ask if we can do it like in the German Wiki and if they give permission I will start doing it as secondary task.

    Regarding the color of the Paper Fan Unholy, when I started updating the wiki I saw 2 with yellow/brown color, The People's Will and The Windcatcher, I don't know if you mean this.

    In any case, this color is because the pictures were taken with the sunlight environment of Kryta:

    (If this is not what you say, then no idea.)

  • Not paper fans. These:

    - in particular: forgotten fan

    But maybe also:

    - frozen fan

    - tattered fan

    (what you're saying about the lighting could be the reason behind the different colors for the forgotten fan pictures, but I'm 99% certain they used to have an actually different shade of red as well) Maybe someone else remembers something about it.

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  • Shit, my mistake, I don't know how to read anymore it seems

    I don't have any of those to check it for myself, I tried to farm them time ago but the drop rate was so shit that I ended up getting tired.

    I think the main picture of the article has been taken in the seashore at the end of Great Temple of Balthazar, if someone has the fan, go and see it, rotating the character 360º facing the sun to see the color variations.

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    The Brohn's/Gorrel's I've got have been around a hot minute then. Are you thinking other HSR prenerfs are from earlier as well now?

    Who knows at this point ? Maybe different green were changed at different time, maybe both version dropped during a certain time frame ?

    Praise Also suggested that maybe the introduction of new green (like the TopK) had an influence on the old green.

    Also, something that came to mind recently...forgotten fans. Once upon a time, I remember hearing/reading that there were two different colors. I want to say I used to own a version of each, but if I did, that was many years ago. I don't know if the mod order was different from one color to another, but it was like a lighter or darker version of the previous color.

    The English wiki images would suggest that was the case as well, but could just be different lighting idk.

    Hum that's an interesting one. Yeah the image on the wiki seems to suggest 2 different color (you can also see it here) and that would fit the pattern with the current version being way darker than the prenerf one. I will add it to the list of possible prenerf !

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    Not sure if there were ever varying colors to the frozen and tattered fans, but I think frozen fans/icebreakers were added with the same update as forgotten fans/totem axes, so could be?

    Maybe for the frozen fan but the difference is less obvious on the wiki image (here). As for the martial weapon there are very few color change, especially when they have a basic color like the totem axe or the icebreaker.

    Maybe it's time to add them? I've been updating the wiki with high resolution images since a few months ago but I never added screenshots of the description for unique items because I didn't know if it was allowed, I'm going to ask if we can do it like in the German Wiki and if they give permission I will start doing it as secondary task.

    That would be an amazing idea. I have quite a few green in my collection PM me if you need some screenshots.

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  • So, if you look at the first image uploaded for the forgotten fan on the unofficial wiki, dated 1 day after they were added to the game, the icon looks bright red. original icon

    I don't have a forgotten fan on me atm, but I'm pretty sure the current one at least has a darker icon. If anyone can compare it to the one in that screenshot, that should give us our answer.

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    Thats all i can help on the Fan topic

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  • Thanks Mr. Clean(-Value)

    Now we have to see if we find the old version somewhere. The screenshot posted by Unholy from the unofficial wiki looks legit at least. I can try to find the texture inside the Gw.dat with the 3D Ripper DX, but I don't have the program installed currently.

    About the description screenshots Oldschool Cool, I already left the message in the discussion thread in the wiki, let's see what they say, I appreciate your help, thank you.

  • Oldschool Cool January 17, 2021 at 1:31 AM

    Changed the title of the thread from “Info and research on prenerf greens (updated 15 th January)” to “Info and research on prenerf greens (updated 17 th January)”.
  • Acquired another pre-nerf green staff. Stoneweaver was already accounted for, but now we can confirm color difference as well.

    Icon is slightly lighter for prenerf. Wrap near hand is also slightly lighter for prenerf. Fits pattern of lighter prenerfs/darker postnerfs.

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  • Oldschool Cool January 21, 2021 at 4:42 AM

    Changed the title of the thread from “Info and research on prenerf greens (updated 17 th January)” to “Info and research on prenerf greens (updated 21 th January)”.
  • After talking with Oldschool Cool this morning, we came upon a few new discoveries. Ogre-slaying knives, among other potential items, have a prenerf version. We each had one of a different color, so I went out to farm a new one to compare. Turns out I had a prenerf from long ago tucked away. We also both confirmed that forgotten fans do indeed have two colors, and the icons are visibly different for each (I'll let him post those as he got his first :P )

    As for the ogre knives, once again fits the pattern of postnerfs being darker.

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  • Oldschool Cool January 23, 2021 at 2:25 PM

    Changed the title of the thread from “Info and research on prenerf greens (updated 21 th January)” to “Info and research on prenerf greens (big update 23 January)”.
  • Time to do a big update.

    Update to the presentation :

    * For the confirmed green : Added a new column called IG, to differentiate between the item that have been confirmed In Game (IG) or confirmed based on screenshot alone.

    * For the potential green : Added a new column called Confidence, to indicate the chance that a prenerf green does exist


    New confirmed prenerf green :

    * Stoneweaver. The green was already confirmed based on German screenshot but thanks to Unholy we were able to confirm it in game and see the color difference. The German picture were replaced by Unholy pictures.

    * Ogre Slaying Knife. Confirmed thanks to Unholy.

    * Forgotten Fan. I was able to find a prenerf one in game, the item has been moved from potential to confirmed. Different inventory icon and different in game model (sceenshot below)

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    * Vera. Color change confirmed by Unholy. Even if the difference isn’t very obvious on the picture it does exist. It’s easier to see it while switching between the two versions in game.

    * Arius’Sai. New one that I just found. The current in game version is different from the german wiki screenshots. This item is the first confirmed prenerf martial with a different mod order !

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    New potential prenerf greens.

    In light of the recent new additions I have double checked all the prophecies martial weapons, wands and focus, comparing their screenshot between the 3 wiki (official/unofficial/german) and 2 old french fan site.

    The very tedious work wasn’t for nothing and I was able to identify more than 10 new potential prenerf greens. Here are the most interesting one :

    * Shreader's Talons (extremely likely, the german wiki even mention that there exist one with a different color).

    * Razorfang's Claws (very likely based on the screenshots), skin similar to Chkkr and Shreader

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    * The Soulstone

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    * The Stonehart

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    * The Brimstone

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    * Rago's Flame Wand

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    New patterns :

    All those new additions gave us a better understanding of the different prenerf green patterns :

    * The addition of Arius’Sai is opening a whole new category. It’s the very first confirmed prenerf martial (dagger) with a different mod order.

    * The addition of the ogre slaying knofe and the forgotten fan show that all the focus that aren’t using the default could potentially have a prenerf version with a different color.

    * The addition of Vera (confirmed) and Shreader's Talons (potential) show that all the martial weapons that aren’t using the default color could potentially have a prenerf version with a different color.

    * The pre-nerf=lighter and post-nerf=darker rule hold true for the vast majority of the greens (Vera is the small exception).

    * By looking at some very old screenshot (early 2006) we were able to find some 2 greens with different inventory icons (Ogre slaying knofe and Flint Artifact). The current icon are the regular undyed icon of their associated skin (grim cesta and water artifact respectively) while the old one were closer to the color of their in game model.


    Last but not least, I would like to thanks all the people that have contributed to this thread, keep on the good work !

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    IGN : Veni Vidi Wiki

    WTB Triple prof wands + Aegis/SotW + Prenerf runes + Sanhan's Staff (here)

    Edited once, last by Oldschool Cool (January 23, 2021 at 2:45 PM).

  • Oldschool Cool January 26, 2021 at 4:06 PM

    Changed the title of the thread from “Info and research on prenerf greens (big update 23 January)” to “Info and research on prenerf greens (updated 26 January)”.
  • Ostona I added Snapjaw and Bizzr to the potentiel prenerf list. I also farmed Bizzr my self and I can confrim that it's the version you have.

    Unholy I have added Lians to the confirmed list.

    Aslo 2 new confirmed prenerf that I was able to find :

    * The time eater

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    *Strongroot's Shelter. This one is interesting, it's the first confirmed shield with a different color and a different inventory icon. And it doesn't fit the pattern as the prenerf version has a darker/deeper color.

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    IGN : Veni Vidi Wiki

    WTB Triple prof wands + Aegis/SotW + Prenerf runes + Sanhan's Staff (here)