Posts by Chthon

  • Calling upon Loremasters of GW and GW2

    1. It's official lore that Bonfaaz Burntfur called down the Searing using the Cauldron of Cataclysm in the Northlands, and also that he survived the Searing and was later killed by the player character in the Nolani Academy mission. So...
      • We could just call this a plot hole. It looks like it probably is. But, if we want to try to salvage things...
      • Maybe initiating the Searing was a suicide mission and Bonfaaz just got really lucky. The remainder of the Charr forces were waiting a safe distance further north.
      • Maybe Bonfaaz was capable of aiming the searing crystals to a sufficient degree that Charr forces were safe from direct impacts, and then the geological and ecological aspects of the Searing took course over a span of months after the crystal rain. In particular, perhaps the impacts destabilized the subterranean strata so that numerous small quakes occurred over an extended time as they collapsed and settled. That, combined with increased erosion as the plant life died off, might explain how the terrain/elevation could change so much in a given spot from pre to post, and yet that spot could have been safe to stand in during the crystal rain.
    2. I consider GW2 non-canon.
    3. I consider GW2 non-canon.

  • Mixed Stuff PC

    Please share your thoughts on the following. I know some of it's rare, and suspect a lot of it's junk. "Merch it" is also a very helpful response, since I need storage space.

    • Oni Daggers, Req 8, 15^stance (uninscribed)
    • Oni Daggers, Req 9, 15^50 (uninscribed)
    • Composite Bow, Req 8, 14^stance (uninscribed, gold text) [Edit, corrected mistake: this is gold text, not blue text. Also, it IS max.]
    • Shinobi Blade, Req 9, 15^ stance (uninscribed)
    • Runic Axe, Req 9, 15^50 (uninscribed)
    • Shadow Blade, Req 10, 15^50 (uninscribed)
    • Shadow Blade, Req 11, 5e (uninscribed)
    • Golden Phoenix Blade, Req11, 15^-5e (uninscribed)
    • Storm Bow, Req 10, 11^stance (uninscribed, purple text, I believe this is "pre-nerf")
    • Storm Bow, Req 10, 12^stance (uninscribed, purple text, I believe this is "pre-nerf")
    • Storm Bow, Req 9, 15 vs hexed (uninscribed)
    • Storm Bow, Req 10, 15^stance (uninscribed)
    • Clouded Maul, Req 10, 15^50 (uninscribed)
    • Clouded Maul, Req 10, 14^-10 while attacking (uninscribed)
    • Twin Hammer, Req 9, 15^stance (uninscribed, gold text) [edit, corrected error: gold text, not purple text. I was confusing it with another twin hammer.]
    • Eternal Shield, Req 7 str (16 armor, no mods, white text, I believe this is "pre-nerf")
    • Skeleton Shield, Req 7 tact (16 armor, no mods, white text, I believe this is "pre-nerf")
    • Embossed Aegis, Req 9 str, -2^ench, 9AL vs fire (uninscribed, can these two mods spawn together anymore?)
    • Embossed Aegis, Req 8 tact, -2^ench, 41^stance (uninscribed)
    • Gloom Shield, Req 10 tact, 9AL vs piercing, 43^ench (uninscribed)
    • Gloom Shield, Req 11 tact, 10AL vs undead, 19% +1 prot prayers (uninscribed)
    • Plagueborn Staff, Req 10 spawn, 10 HCT-all (uninscribed)
    • Koi Scepter, Req 10 earth, 5e^50, 10 HCT-all (uninscribed)
    • Deadly Cesta, Req 9 death, 19 HSR-curses, 19 HCT-blood (uninscribed, is a horrible attribute mix like this rare?)
    • Eerie Focus (factions skin), Req 9 comm, 10 HSR-all, 10 HCT-all (uninscribed)
    • Plagueborn Focus, Req8 FC, 5AL^casting (uninscribed, purple text)
    • Skull Brush, Req 8 curses (inscribed, blue text)
    • Divine Symbol (cup), Req 8 DF (inscribed, blue text)
    • Guilded Artifact, Req 8 FC (inscribed, blue text)
    • Fire Prism, Req 8 fire (inscribed, blue text)
    • Chimeric Eye, Req 8 insp (inscribed, blue text)
    • Bone Idol, Req 8 SR (inscribed, blue text)

  • Price Check - Long List, Major Clean Out

    Since I've come back, I've decided that it's time to clear out my storage and standardize my heroes with optimal (mostly collector) gear. Towards that end, I've got a lot of stuff to get rid of. I'm expecting that 90% of this stuff is merchant/salvage trash, and I'm totally happy to hear "this item is merchant trash." My main goal here is to avoid accidentally merching something I shouldn't. Price estimates are nice, but even just "that's not mechant trash" is useful to know. I've marked things with low requirements red text.

    UNINSCRIBED ("OLD SCHOOL")

    • SWORD
      • Shinobi Blade, Req 9, 15^stance
      • Golden Phoenix Blade, Req 11, 15^-5e
      • Shadow Blade, Req 10, 15^50
      • Shadow Blade, Req 11, 5e
    • AXE
      • Runic Axe, Req 9, 15^50
      • Chaos Axe, Req 13, 15^ench
      • Chaos Axe, Req 10, 15 vs hex
      • Mammoth Axe, Req 11, 14^stance
    • HAMMER
      • Clouded Maul, Req 10, 15^50
      • Clouded Maul, Req 10, 14^-10 AL while attacking
      • Colossal Pick, Req 13, 15^ench
      • Plagueborn, Req 10, 14^ench
      • Twin Hammer, Req 9, 15^stance
      • Zodiac, Req 10, 14^50
      • Zodiac, Req 11, 16^hex
    • BOW
      • Amber Longbow, Req 10, 5e
      • Composite Bow, Req 8, 14^stance
      • Eternal Longbow, Req 13, 15^stance
      • Half Moon, Req 11, 15^ench
      • Storm Bow, Req 9, 15 vs hex
      • Storm Bow, Req 9, 13^50
      • Storm Bow, Req 10, 14 vs hex
      • Storm Bow, Req 10, 15^stance
      • Storm Bow, Req 10, 12^stance
      • Storm Bow, Req 11, high salvage
      • Storm Bow, Req 13, 13^stance
      • Zodiac Bow, Req 10, 15 vs hex
    • DAGGER
      • Ceremonial Daggers, Req 12, 15^ench
      • Oni Daggers, Req 8, 15^stance
      • Oni Daggers, Req 9, 15^50
      • Plagueborn, Req 9, 14 vs hex
    • SHIELD
      • STRENGTH
        • Embossed Aegis, Req 9, -2^ench, 9 vs fire
        • Eternal Shield, Req 7, white text, no mods
        • Eternal Shield, Req 8, 12hp (blue text)
        • Eternal Shield, Req 9, 16/-5, 49^hex
        • Eternal Shield, Req 9, 19hp
        • Gloom Shield, Req 12, -2^ench
        • Gloom Shield, Req 12, -3^hex
        • Kappa Shield, Req 11, 41^stance
      • TACTICS
        • Echovald, Req 12, 19/-5
        • Embossed Aegis, Req 8, -2^ench, 41^stance (gold text)
        • Gloom Shield, Req 10, 9 vs pierce, 43^ench
        • Gloom Shield, Req 11, 10 vs undead, 19/+1 prot
        • Gloom Shield, Req 11, 9 vs earth
        • Gloom Shield, Req 12, -3^hex
        • Gloom Shield, Req 11, 44^stance
        • Gloom Shield, Req 13, 20/-5
        • Gloom Shield, Req 9, 42^stance
        • Skeleton Shield, Req 7, white text, no mods
    • STAFF
      • FIRE
        • Fire Staff (core), Req 9, -20 bleed
        • Ghostly Staff, Req 12, 10 HCT-all
      • BLOOD
        • Shadow Staff, Req 10, 10 HCT-all
      • DEATH
        • Platinum Staff, Req 11, 10 HCT-all
      • ILLUSION
        • Jeweled Staff (twin snake), Req 11, -20 Bleed
      • CHANNELING
        • Plagueborn, Req 9, 9 HCT-all
      • SPAWNING POWER
        • Plagueborn, Req 10, 10 HCT-all
    • WAND
      • EARTH
        • Koi Scepter, Req 10, 5e^50, 10 HCT-all
    • FOCUS
      • FAST CASTING
        • Plagueborn, Req 8, 5AL^casting (purple text)
      • COMMUNING
        • Eerie Focus (Factions), Req 9, 10 HSR-all, 10 HCT-all

    INSCRIBED

    • SWORD
      • Briar Blade, Req 9
      • Colossal Scimitar, Req 10, 11
      • Dead Sword, Req 11
      • Elemental Sword, Req 9, 11, 12, 13
      • Elemental Sword, non-max, Req 9
      • Elonian Blade, Req 9
      • Fellblade, Req 9, 10
      • Fiery Dragon Sword, Req 9, 10
      • Fiery Embersteel, Req 13
      • Fiery Gladius, Req 9
      • Golden Machete, Req 9
      • Greater Dark Scimitar, Req 10, 13
      • Greater Sage Blade, Req 9, 11
      • Jade Sword, Req 10
      • Mammoth Blade, Req 9
      • Platinum Blade, Req 11
      • Platinum Broadsword, Req 10
      • Runic Blade, Req 10, 11
      • Sephis Sword, Req 9, 11, 12
      • Shadow Blade, Req 10
      • Shining Gladius, Req 11, 13
      • Spatha, Req 11
      • Vampiric Dragon Sword, Req 9
      • Vertebreaker, Req 9
      • Wingblade, Req 9
      • Wyvern Blade, Req 11
    • AXE
      • Ancient Axe, Req 12
      • Charr Axe (EotN), Req 11
      • Dragoncrest Axe, Req 11
      • Fiery Blade Axe, Req 11, 12
      • Gemstone Axe, Req 9, 13
      • Gothic Dual Axe, Req 11
      • Greater Jagged Reaver, Req 9
      • Hand Axe (Tyrian), Req 9
      • Icy Blade Axe, Req 10
      • Sephis Axe, Req 9
      • Serpent Axe (Tyrian), Req 11
      • Serpentine Reaver, Req 9
      • Sickle (crescent), Req 9
      • Stygian Reaver, Req 9
      • Summit Axe, Req 9
      • Tribal Axe, Req 12
      • Ungula Axe, Req 11
      • Zodiac Axe, Req 9
    • HAMMER
      • Crab Claw, Req 9
      • Igneous Maul, Req 10
      • Pirana Hammer, Req 9
      • Ruby Maul, Req 9
      • Summit Hammer, Req 12
      • Twin Hammer, Req 9
      • Wingcrest, Req 11
    • BOW
      • Azure Recurve, Req 11, 12
      • Bramble Flatbow, Req 13
      • Bramble Recurve, Req 11
      • Celestial Bow, Req 10
      • Forked Hornbow, Req 9
      • Grinning Recurve, Req 9
      • Half Moon, Req 12
      • Ironwing Flatbow, Req 9
      • Platinum Longbow, Req 9, 11, 12
      • Shadow Bow, Req 10, 12
      • Storm Bow, Req 10
      • Turtleshell Bow, Req 9, 10, 12
      • Zodiac Bow, Req 11
    • DAGGER
      • Aureate Dagger, Req 10
      • Chromium Shards, Req 11
      • Elonian Dagger (gold variant), Req 9
      • Golden Talons, Req 9, 10
      • Platinum Sickle, Req 9, 10, 12
      • Sai, Req 9
      • Salient Daggers, Req 11
      • Steel Dagger (purple variant), Req 10
      • Stilletos, Req 9, 10, 12
      • Zodiac, Req 11
    • SCYTHE
      • Ancient Scythe (gold variant), Req 11
      • Briarwood Scythe, Req 12 (why do I even have this?)
      • Grim Scythe, Req 9, 10
      • Nightmare Scythe, Req 12
      • Ornate Scythe, Req 12
      • Razorclaw Scythe, Req 9, 10, 11, 12
      • Suarian Scythe, Req 9
      • Shadow Scythe, Req 9, 12, 13
    • SPEAR
      • Brass Spear, Req 13
      • Broadhead, Req 10
      • Ceremonial Spear, Req 10
      • Destroyer, Req 9
      • Draconic, 9, 11, 13
      • Draconic (non-max), Req 8, 9, 10
      • Greater Guardian, Req 9, 13
      • Guardian, Req 11
      • Nightmare, Req 9, 10
      • Ornate, Req 9
      • Serrated, Req 9
      • Solemn, Req 9
      • Sunburst, Req 10, 12
      • Tribal, Req 10
      • Voltaic Spear, Req 9, 12
      • Windblade, Req 9
    • SHIELD
      • STRENGTH
        • Darkwing Defender, Req 9
        • Draconic Aegis, Req 10, 11
        • Ebonhand Aegis, Req 9
        • Embossed Shield, Req 9
        • Eternal Shield, Req 9
        • Exalted Aegis, Req 9, 13
        • Guardian of the Hunt, Req 11
        • Kappa Shield, Req 9
        • Kournan Defender, Req 9, 10
        • Lion Shield, Req 10
        • Lotus Shield, Req 8 (gold text)
        • Lotus Shield, Req 9, 10, 12
        • Oaken Aegis, Req 11
        • Woven Shield, Req 10
      • TACTICS
        • Ancient Shield, Req 9
        • Celestial Shield, Req 13
        • Darkwing Defender, Req 8 (blue text) -- already price checked in another thread
        • Enameled Shield, Req 11
        • Exalted Aegis, Req 12, 13
        • Giant Conch, Req 9
        • Gloom Shield, Req 9, 11
        • Guardian of the Hunt, Req 9
        • Iridescent Aegis, Req 9, 10, 12, 13
        • Militia Shield, Req 10
        • Sharktooth, Req 10
        • Shield of the Wing, Req 8 (blue text)
        • Shield of the Wing, Req 9
        • Summit Warlord, Req 10
        • Sun & Moon, Req 11
        • Woven, Req 10
        • Zodiac, Req 12
      • COMMAND
        • Ancient Shield, Req 10
        • Aureate Aegis, Req 9
        • Diamond Aegis, Req 9, 10
        • Exalted Aegis, Req 11
        • Iridescent Aegis, Req 9, 11
        • Reinforced Defender, Req 9, 10
        • Scarabshell Aegis, Req 12
        • Signet Shield, Req 11
        • Vabbian Bastion, Req 9
        • Vabbian Defender, Req 9
      • MOTIVATION
        • Amethyst Aegis, Req 10
        • Aureate Aegis, Req 8 (blue text)
        • Aureate Aegis, Req 9, 10
        • Eagle Defender, Req 9
        • Exalted Aegis, Req 9
        • Goldleaf Defender, Req 8 (blue text)
        • Iridescent Aegis, Req 9, 10, 11, 12
        • Reinforced Defender, Req 12
        • Signet Shield, Req 11
        • Vabbian Bastion, Req 9, 10
        • Vabbian Defender, Req 9
        • Zodiac, Req 13
    • STAFF
      • AIR
        • Air Staff (bug zapper), Req 9
        • Dolyak Prod, Req 9, 10, 12
      • EARTH
        • Earth Staff (crystal), Req 9, 12
        • Earth Staff (obsidian), Req 11
        • Earth Staff (obsidian, non-max), Req 10
      • FIRE
        • Fire Staff (canthan), Req 9
        • Fire Staff (core), Req 12, 13
        • Pyrewood, Req 9
      • WATER
        • Tidal Staff, Req 10
      • ENERGY STORAGE
        • Cobalt, Req 12
        • Onyx, Req 11
        • Platinum, Req 10, 13
      • CURSES
        • Evil Eye, Req 10
      • SOUL REAPING
        • Ghostly, Req 10
        • Goldhorn, Req 9, 10
        • Moldavite, Req 10
      • ILLUSION
        • Fuchsia, Req 9, 11
        • Jeweled Staff (twin serpent), Req 9, 10
      • INSPIRATION
        • Ancient Moss, Req 12
        • Astral, Req 13
        • Dragon Spire, Req 9, 10, 13
      • PROTECTION
        • Prot Staff, Req 9, 13
      • DIVINE FAVOR
        • Crystal Flame, Req 11
        • Divine Staff, Req 9, 10, 13
        • Embercrest, Req 9
        • Holy Branch, Req 9
        • Platinum Staff, Req 12
      • COMMUNING
        • Primitive Staff, Req 11
      • RESTORATION
        • Asuraline Staff
        • Astral, Req 13
        • Onyx, Req 9, 10
        • Torquise, Req 9
        • Zodiac, Req 13
      • SPAWNING POWER
    • WAND
      • WATER
        • Watercrest, Req 10
      • ENERGY STORAGE
        • Platinum Wand, Req 9
        • Scepter Forgotten, Req 10, 11
      • CURSES
        • Fan of Purity, Req 9
      • SOUL REAPING
        • Darkhorn Rod, Req 11
        • Dead Scepter, Req 9, 10, 11
        • Onyx, Req 11
        • Platinum Wand, Req 10
        • Serpentine Scepter, Req 12
      • DOMINATION
        • Darkhorn Rod, Req 11
        • Silver Boar, Req 11
      • INSPIRATION
        • Crystal Wand, Req 11
      • HEALING
        • Eternal Flame Wand, Req 12
        • Fan of Purity, Req 9
      • PROTECTION
        • Frog Scepter, Req 9
      • DIVINE FAVOR
        • Wayward Wand, Req 9
      • SPAWNING POWER
        • Scepter of Forgotten, Req 10
        • Serpentine Scepter, Req 10
    • FOCUS
      • AIR
        • Air Prism, Req 10, 12
      • EARTH
        • Earth Prism, Req 12
      • FIRE
        • Fire Prism, Req 8 (blue text)
        • Fire Prism, Req 9
      • WATER
        • Water Prism, Req 10
      • ENERGY STORAGE
        • Golden Chalice, Req 10
        • Iridescent Prism, Req 9, 10, 11
      • BLOOD
        • Spined Focus, Req 12
      • CURSES
        • Accursed Icon (gorgon), Req 9
        • Celestial Compass, Req 12
        • Skull Brush, Req 8 (blue text)
      • DEATH
        • Celestial Compass, Req 9
      • SOUL REAPING
        • Bleached Skull, Req 10
        • Bone Idol, Req 8 (blue text)
        • Bone Idol, Req 9
        • Straw Effigy, Req 9
      • ILLUSION
        • Chimeric Eye, Req 8 (blue text)
        • Chimeric Eye, Req 10
      • INSPIRATION
        • Butterfly Mirror, Req 13
        • Celestial Compass, Req 12
        • Chimeric Eye, Req 8
        • Starfish Req 9
      • FAST CASTING
        • Gilded Artifact, Req 8 (blue text)
      • HEALING
        • Blessed Chalice, Req 9
        • Celestial Compass, Req 11
        • Heal Ankh, Req 11
      • PROTECTION
        • Holy Vial, Req 9, 10, 13
        • Prot Icon, Req 9
      • DIVINE FAVOR
        • Divine Symbol (cup), Req 8 (blue text)
        • Aureate Lamp, Req 9
      • CHANNELING
        • Channeling Focus, Req 9
      • COMMUNING
        • Celestial Compass, Req 11
        • Eerie Focus (Nightfall), Req 9
      • SPAWNING POWER
        • Pronged Fan, Req 9

    GREEN ITEMS

    • SWORD
      • Muraki
      • Victo's
      • Sskai
      • Eldritch
      • Blade of Hierophant
      • Ogre Slaying Knife
    • AXE
      • Totem Axe
      • Kanaxi Axe
      • Victo's
      • Axe of Hierophant
      • Mallyx
    • HAMMER
      • Kanaxi
      • Dugon's Mauk
      • Bludgeoner
    • BOW
      • Arachni Longbow
      • Ashlyn Shotbow
      • Bow of Hierophant
      • Elswyth's Longbow
      • Elswyth's Recurve
      • Gargash Recurve
      • Ironwing Longbow
      • Mallyx Longbow
      • Mallyx Recurve
      • Rotwing Recurve
      • Urgoz Flatbow
      • Urgoz Longbow
      • Urgoz Shortbow
    • DAGGER
      • Claws of Kinslayer
      • Hidesplitter Daggers
      • Mallyx Zeal
      • Stygian Daggers
    • SCYTHE
      • Arachni's Scythe
      • Mallyx Savagery
      • Scythe of Hierophant
      • Shezel Reaper
      • Soulwailer
      • Suli's Scythe
    • SPEAR
      • Eshu's Spear
      • Hidesplitter's Spear
      • Stygian Spear
      • Turep's Spear
    • SHIELD
      • STRENGTH
        • Aegis of Terror
        • Destructive Shield
        • Tanzit's Defender
        • Victo's Bulwark
      • TACTICS
        • Havok's Shield
        • Hidesplitter's Shield
        • Malinon's Shield
      • COMMAND
        • Exalted Aegis
        • Mallyx Supremacy
        • Shield of Condemned
        • Shagu's Anthem
      • MOTIVATION
        • Stygian Aegis
    • STAFF
      • AIR
        • Moteh Lightning Spire
      • EARTH
        • Milus Pillar
      • FIRE
        • Rago's Flame Staff
        • Kooson Fire Staff
      • WATER
        • Antiquated Staff
        • Iceblood's Warstaff
      • ENERGY STORAGE
        • Everlasting Shadow
        • Everlasting Ghostly
        • Magmus
      • BLOOD
        • Arachni Staff
        • Bellock's Staff
        • Kyril's Fervor
      • CURSES
        • Stonereaper
      • SOUL REAPING
        • Grim Ghostly
        • Grim Shadow
        • Staff of Kinslayer
      • DOMINATION
        • Ilyana Staff
        • Magekiller
        • Trickster
      • ILLUSION
        • Mindclouder
        • Vision of Purity
      • INSPIRATION
        • Inspired Shadow
      • HEALING
        • Wingsheilder
      • PROTECTION
        • Banor Sacred Branch
        • Chaelse's Staff
      • DIVINE FAVOR
        • Kepkhet's Refuge
        • Kaolin Prot Staff
        • Maneater
        • Scar Eater
        • Yakslapper
      • CHANNELING
        • Phoenix Retribution
        • Ssyn's Staff
      • SPAWNING POWER
        • Ritualistic Ghostly
    • WAND
      • DEATH
        • Avarr's Scepter
      • ILLUSION
        • Vokur's Cane
      • INSPIRATION
        • Bogroot Rod
        • Stygian Wand
      • DIVINE FAVOR
        • Mallyx Faith
        • Shaunur's Scepter
        • Ziifaun's Belief
      • COMMUNING
        • Vengeance Seeker
      • RESTORATION
        • Oola's Wand
      • SPAWNING POWER
        • Stygian Scepter
    • FOCUS
      • AIR
        • Gloop's Focus
      • BLOOD
        • Sourbeak's Taint
      • DEATH
        • Armind's Focus
        • Konruu's Fervor
      • SOUL REAPING
        • Focus of the Master
        • Zoldark's Focus
      • DOMINATION
        • Hanaku's Focus
        • Mindsquall
        • Shattered Illusion
      • INSPIRATION
        • The Purifier
        • Gwen's Flute
      • FAST CASTING
        • Time Eater
        • Rose Focus
      • HEALING
        • Kaykitt's Focus
      • PROTECTION
        • Wroth's Icon
      • DIVINE FAVOR
        • Byzzr Benedition
        • Ky's Chalice
        • Wenslauss Chalice
      • CHANNELING
        • Pain Eater
      • RESTORATION
        • Oola's Focus
        • Soulwhisper's Guardian
      • SPAWNING POWER
        • Cho's Vice
        • Mallyx Creation

    OTHER/MISC

    • SWORD
      • Long Sword (Crystalline skin, quest reward)
    • HAMMER
      • Club of 1k Bears
      • Candy Cane Hammer
    • BOW
      • Candy Cane Bow
    • DAGGER
      • Peppermint Dagger
    • SCYTHE
      • Peppermint Scythe
    • SPEAR
      • Peppermint Spear
    • SHIELD
      • No Attribute
        • Gingerbread
        • Peppermint
        • Hassin's Shell (post-nerf)
    • STAFF
      • No Attribute
        • Kerresh Staff
        • Traveler Walking Stick
    • WAND
      • NO ATTRIBUTE
        • Wintergreen Wand
    • FOCUS
      • NO ATTRIBUTE
        • Bison Cup
        • Gingerbread Focus
        • Zekuta Horn
      • BLOOD
        • -50 cesta

  • PC: Darkwing Defender Q8 Tactics

    CLOSED

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    Please close.

    Thank you to everyone for your thoughts & insights. I think I now have a much better idea what this item's worth.

    I've put it up for sale in this thread.

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    Please price check:

    Darkwing Defender (inscribable, blue text)

    16 armor, req 8 tactics

    phys dmg -2 ^ stance

    45 hp ^ stance

    Also, since I am recently returned and way, way, way out of touch, would someone please tell me the current exchange rates for [gold <--> ecto] and [ecto <--> armbrace]?