Posts by jack l eventreur

  • About the crystalline q8 15^stance of Sawn...

    Nah, i guess i wasn’t clear enough.

    I do think this particular bid seems fake, because I don’t know the guy who bided (maybe it’s some kind of famous trader back in the days, and i’m Not one of them, so I would hardly know him), and seeing the PC on this sword this seems weird.

    I do agree with you however, I think the offer is pretty decent for this item ( most of all because imo 15/s is more valuable than a 15/50 in pvp ).

    I feel like people tried to influence its value with low PC, but that’s my own opinion.

  • About the crystalline q8 15^stance of Sawn...

    Thx for not switching the roles, you talked about bots, I just say this has no reason to be here.

    Why do I talk about real money, What does it change? Nothing, except it shut down retard comments such as « it’s just a game, he got scam, but who cares ». Go and tell me poker is just a game. Blackjack is just a game. True, as long as money isn’t involved in. And, if you didn’t noticed spams in kamadan, gold sellers exists. Why? Because it seems that many players thinks it is worth it to put some real money in. Even if I personally never put any real money in, I can take into account that many player do (else, gold sellers wouldn’t be still daily spamming there website).

    I’m done, just stop talk about it. If you think there was no scam here, good for you. I wish I never have the pleasure to share anything with you, except that wonderful talk. Pointless to argue with you, if you bring arguments that are literally out of subjects, endding up saying that i did..

  • About the crystalline q8 15^stance of Sawn...

    That’s your only opinion dude, about how good I am, or not in debate. Sadly I’m afraid your words have 0 value seeing your arguments, and the fact you brang bots into this « debate ». You’re just being out of the subject, only to prove that i’m wrong.

    Once again, i’m Not English main language, so yeah I suppose that what i’m Saying isn’t reflecting 100% of what i’m Thinking/trying to say. However , if you’re able to speak French , you’re welcome to send me a pm, the and i’ll Be happy to explain how far from bots issues the initial talk was about.

    Best regards.

  • About the crystalline q8 15^stance of Sawn...

    ???

    I just read the first paragraphe of your last post, i’m Tired of this case actually. And most of all of the retardness you’re showing.

    I don’t know how you don’t get the point. The question is not how to MAKE fking money, since he ALREADY have the damn sword. It’s all about resources transfert/transformation (call it how you want). Exactly like panda/reindeers are used are money in extremely valuable trades, this crysta could be as well. It’s just a potential huge amount of arms, du to it’s value. And Max already had it in his inventory. And what you say, boting etc, is potential farm of zkey, not already in possession. What is hard to understand. Call me troll mate, but it seems that your understanding ability is hard limited.

    Max doesn’t give a fking care of making money in a game he left. Only finish hall (according to what he said, I never talked to him). Why the hell you’re bringing the bots in here. It’s a complete diff subject. And yeah, it is a huge issue to Gw, and anet should ban them, etc. But plz open a diff thread if you want to talk about it , and stop call ppl of what’s they aren’t.

    Have a wonderful day.

  • About the crystalline q8 15^stance of Sawn...

    Quote from Expugnare

    I’m not disagreeing that the seller was dumb or made a mistake. I just don’t think anyone should defend the buyer’s actions either.

    Precisely.


    About what you said shaggy, I don’t see why you’re talking about money making strategy, and boting. There is nothing to do with what happened, even if it’s true about how they destroyed the market. I doubt His plan was to « dominate the market », or any kind of this shit, but only getting a decent price for the amazing sword he got from the past (up to him to transform the benefits into real $ , or keep arms— wait, ectos ^^....). And eventually finish his Hall, he said it.

    And I don’t know why you say Max was aware of this forum, I highly doubt he was, since he posted after the trade was done, like 24h after. I guess someone told him we’re having a talk about it.

  • About the crystalline q8 15^stance of Sawn...

    Thx yuko for clearing the legal perceptive. That’s exactly the kind of things I wanted to point out.

    I agree on the fact Gw isn’t real life, however gold sellers are actually bringing it real (more and more). We barely see huge items sold for virtual money (arms/Ectos...) these days, things such as kanaxai or pandas... some guys pref to involve real $ . So when you got such item , it’s potential real money you can get selling it. This is the precise reason I reacted hard for that case.

    Sime asian country (japan/Korea?) have set up law for virtual stealing, if I remember correctly. Even if, I agree, getting proof that there was an effectif virtual scam/stealing seems hard.

  • About the crystalline q8 15^stance of Sawn...

    You didint get the point at all. It’s not about wether it happens or not irl. It’s a question of moral sens. Yeah, some ppl are evil, do bad things. Some are mureders... gz, it happens ! You’ve concluded it by yourself?

    The question is should we congratule this behaviors ?

    It seems that you think so.

    About the unsure point , about irl and game : gold sellers make it same categories. Stealing 800 arms (or so, according to pc) , is stealing 500€ to that same guy. Keep say it’s a game, and a fair trade.

  • About the crystalline q8 15^stance of Sawn...

    Confused ?

    Seriously don’t lie to yourself. Why didn’t the guy offered same price in armbrace, or in zkey? Keep your blinkers and tell me « because, ectos is a nice and famous money used in Gw for trades ». Yeah, right, in 2005 it was indeed. Would you sell a panda for ectos tomorrow ? I don’t know why, but I have little doubts.

    About dupery, i’m Not English fist language, we have similar word in French duperie, which is another word for scam. Not deception.

    Anyway , I don’t see where is the intentional deception in the process of abusing ppl ignorance for profit. If I would be a scammer, my last care would be the deception of the guy.

    Maybe we’re facing some issues with language understanding here, with the true meaning of words, but I doubt it.

    The only goal we should try to reach is : was this trade fair or not? It wasn’t...! At any point. The guy got abused, robbed , scammed... whatever the words you wanna use. End of the story.

    EDIT : I think the language misunderstanding is on deception.

    If you pretend that in this trade, there wasn’t intentional deception, you’re extremely fun. Or sad. The ectos as money proves it.

  • About the crystalline q8 15^stance of Sawn...

    Keep in mind, that the guy had been told by the buyer that the trade was fair. He still lied to him.

    And I disagree with the intentional deception. Ppl scam for profit, not to cause deception (ofc not ALL the time , but most ).

    Besides, what the hell is that supposed to mean : getting a good feel is not scam.

    Ok so you sell a fake painting to someone (telling it’s a real one ofc) , so he is happy getting a good price. This is not scam??? Cmon...

    and still , he offered ectos, you know that ectos isn’t the money used for these kind of weapon. This is the signature of a true dupery.

  • About the crystalline q8 15^stance of Sawn...

    Definitely not scam. I mean it’s exactly like people being trust as mod in some trade, who ran away with the money.

    I mean , the guy pressed OK , he agreed on giving X ectos, and the « mod » 0 in exchange.

    Both agree on that trade when they pressed yes.

    He just decided that the second action/trade planned wasn’t profitable for him.

    In conclusion : there are no scammers in gw, according to the way game was designed. Thx anet, i’ve Been blind all these years.

    I wish I had that sword too, much more worth than my soul. What is the purpose of soul anyway

  • About the crystalline q8 15^stance of Sawn...

    Ofc he messed up. But how could he have any idea the buyer was trying to abuse him? Being away from the game more than 10 years. I won’t Start the « drama » about profit again, but there clrearly a difference of doubling your investment (which is , an AMAZING profit), and multiply it by 100. Max pointed it well, I doubt he cares about game or money anyway, he wanted to finish the hall. He was clear on that point. Tell me, how much % of hall can he complete with 1750e? XD

    With that sword , he could do it for serval account.

    Just take IRL example , find me any trade that gave 10.000% instant profit. Over years, ofc this amount could be reach, but we’re talking here of profit made in an area of 24h. Don’t take too long to search, laws are made to avoid such possibility , I wonder why..

    I hope this sawn guy will give you something back, who knows it’s Christmas time.

  • Crystaline Sword q8

    Selling high and buy low? Since when paying a valuable item around 1% of it’s true value is fair? 10.000% INSTANT profit ^^ . Who on earth would do that (sell his house 100 times that its true price) ? Don’t tell me the initial owner was aware of current market. Seriously , he paid in ectos, what is your answer to that ? Even froggies q13 are sold in armbraces (1 or 2 , but w/e). Don’t tell me the buyer didn’t made it on purpose. This trade, IF it happened was a trickery at all points.

    So ok, let’s say I misunderstood your question 2) , not pointing out that it was extremely explicit. Who am i? I’m no juge or moral thinker or anything. As I said. Just a human, who’s moral sens was destroyed seeing such abuse applauded.

    Nothing to do with PhD members , or the manners how their fortune were made. I respect them all, mostly because it seems to me that they made their collection with a real spirit (gather real pieces of art together) , and not only for cash profite. To be honest , I don’t understand why you talked about the subject, implying that I had anything against you/them.

    One last thing, that you avoid to answer in my last post:

    What would be your reaction if the initial owner was one of your fiend/relative. Be honest plz.

  • Crystaline Sword q8

    1) i’ll ask this question by another : how buying an item to someone that obviously have been away from the game, in ECTOS (while curent money for valuable items is armbrace) , not aware of current market and inflation , isn’t malicious? Stop pretend it’s a fair wait of trading. It’s like , going to a rich grand mother with alziemer , and offering 1000€ for a Picasso. The guy had no idea that ectos, today, are worthless (especially such low amount). This is scam, nothing more. If you pretend the contrary you’re just being stupid (don’t take it personally, I don’t know you, you don’t know me. I’m only talking about behavior).

    This is not tradding, game is being so much inactive, and released so long ago, that this trade in particular, isn’t casual trade between 2 aware ppl.

    2) xDDDD the hell is that question ? You got issues with ego or what? Yeah we all know you are « old » player , with reputation blabla. So what? You decide that this time, this trade was well done by the buyer, and you even defending him when we claim for scam? Cmon and tell me you don’t know him. (Btw I did previously no presumption about any relationship between him and you)

    I’m 100% you’d be the first one to claim payback if the victim was some of your friend back in the day.

    I couldn’t be more disappointed by this behaviour, from a pretended collector from old days and protector of GW history. Using « Who are you » argument, in 2018 (soon 19!) while trying to prove something. Awww

    We’re all player of an (almost) dead game mate, nothing less, nothing more. And humans beings, with (suposely) moral sens.

    Once again, have a good night.

    And yeah sword is priceless , not belonging to you tho <3

  • Crystaline Sword q8

    Quote from Captain Krompdown

    You're stupid not to.

    Opportunity only knocks only once -- and then only for those who know enough to listen.

    That sword's worth whatever you're willing to let it go for. I had one like that, which I used as the centerpiece of my trade for a truly unique piece of GW history.

    You should wait until you get an offer that makes your eyes roll back in your head.

    Nice find!

    What are you talking about?

    Since when abusing someone’s ignorance is something nice? What kind of thinking is that ? So the only thing that matter is the item itself, and not the way earned it? I wanna throw up readding this lines, literally.

    I wont say i never underpayed an item, we All did.

    But there is a difference of buying something for yourself, get a good price , And scamming a returning player in a dead game, asking for a PC aiming pure profit (talking here of quadra digits of arms, not to say €) . Shame on you for congratuling such behaviour.

    So as a PC : mine is 1750e, and sell it back from the guy you fooled.

    Have a good night.