Posts by Misty

    This seems pretty cool but there are a few questionable choices:

    1. Death Pact Signet on a mesmer? If the ST dies twice within one minute, you'll be left with no res at all...

    2. 2 copies of Empathy? what about another res or 2, or some juicy Power Spike?

    3. 5x Drain Enchantment?! Lots of groups have few or zero enchantments, making that skill unreliable at best.

    4. BiP? Everyone but the ST has excellent energy management, so isn't that a wasted elite?

    5. 5x Spiritual Pain? Seems like minions are going to die so fast (as you said, they vanish immediately) you'll never get to use Holy Spear!

    I'm afraid I can't participate if texmod and toolbox are not allowed. I'm allergic to playing without them. You may be cutting off a big chunk of the community by imposing that rule, or at least making it a lot less fun. Still, it's your challenge and your Bobos, so it's up to you.

    wow you really did make it hard on yourself... and still barely went slower than I did... must be that racing beetle inspiring you to race ;) or maybe I was just delayed because I forgot to give Master of Whispers any points in Blood Magic...

    I look forward to seeing your challenges! Maybe PM Marty Silverblade and get some clear fixed rules (unlike my ones...) ready before releasing them?

    Marty Silverblade what do you think about starting a new thread for each challenge? On the one hand, posting a new one in this thread every time is going to make a mess. On the other, it might clog up the team builds forum if we post a new one every week... We could post them in the contests forum instead though?

    I couldn't be bothered giving my heroes proper equipment (I did buy them 2 runes each, wow), and I sure as hell can't be bothered doing this mission again. Should be very easily beatable if you actually micro the heroes, know the answers to the riddles, and generally have a clue what you're doing.

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    EDIT: just realised Margrid had Disrupting Shot, which is an EotN skill xD I think that's sort of forgivable, but disqualify me from winning the armbrace anyway.

    Ixl Ra Ixl sorry, I meant to specify that attack skills ARE permitted - that's just an exception to the rule, though. All other armor-ignoring damage is banned. Banning instant heal still leaves life steal, regen, health gain, and skills that don't trigger immediately like Ether Renewal, Healing Spring, or Patient Spirit.

    Krschkr yup, looks like your team is all within the rules. I don't know if I can think of an interesting goal every time, but you seem to be very good at selecting one yourself! For anyone else who wants a goal for this challenge: Rand Stormweaver in Hard Mode.

    Next challenge will be... no armor-ignoring damage (including buffs like Strength of Honor), and no skills that result in an instant heal (not including the Divine Favor effect). Are those rules clear enough? Feel free to query if a specific skill is allowed or not.

    Krschkr very nice!!! This is exactly the sort of thing I was hoping to see (= I've banned a couple more skills (Blood is Power, Ether Renewal, and Putrid Bile) now - care to try again without them? =P Ineptitude and Aura of the Lich are now unbanned.


    Marty Silverblade I think we may have different definitions of OP xD In this context I mean that those skills are so strong that they beat out all alternatives in numerous areas of the game. For example, Soldier's Defense is an excellent skill in Deep SC, but it requires some skill to use, doesn't trivialize the content, and is next to useless elsewhere. Ebon Escape, on the other hand, is an exceptionally useful skill, being meta in every single speed clear - it performs an important function significantly better than any alternative - you are essentially forced to bring it.

    A lot of people who don't have enough mesmer heroes bring an E/Me running full dom, even using the long casts like ESurge and Mistrust. I'm not saying that's good, but the fact that such a build is viable at all proves that Fast Casting is not necessary. Besides, mesmers are gonna have Fast Casting - I wasn't about to say "you can bring the mesmer skills but not on a primary mesmer". However, I really did ban a lot of mesmer skills so I'll give something back: unbanned Ineptitude.

    Yeah, Shelter isn't a great skill without Soul Twisting, but the reverse is also true. I thought it would be more interesting to ban Shelter and leave the possibility of something coming up with a different ST build - it could happen! Then again, a build with Shelter but not ST could be cool, but I considered that unlikely enough to not bother complicating the rules.

    Minion bombers aren't exactly super OP, but Death Nova and AotL are definitely over-used. I feel like Death Magic would be too strong if I unbanned one of them (probably AotL) without also banning Putrid Bile... what do you think? EDIT: unbanned AotL; banned Putrid Bile.

    Using AP to spam EVAS is kinda over-used too I suppose, but banning YMLaD and MoP takes a lot of the power out of it, forcing people to come up with interesting alternatives.

    I think the main reason BiP didn't bother me is because it's in Blood Magic - having to pump points into such an under-used attribute is an incentive to bring some other unusual skills, especially since some core skills from the BiP bar (Signet of Lost Souls, Protective was Kaolai, Mend Body and Soul) were banned. However, it does trivialize energy management for the rest of the team. The same applies to Ether Renewal, although the only emo skill I banned was Aegis, so I guess without Shelter that easily filled the gap of "next best". Both skills are now banned!

    Yes, thank you for reminding me about cons - allowing them was a mistake; not sure what I was thinking. I could ban half the skills in the game and cons would still make things too easy. Cons are now banned.

    Okay fair points - which of these skills do you not consider OP? Maybe Aura of the Lich? Which OP skills would you add to the list?

    The goal is just to encourage people to think outside the box, without relying on any of those skills that are just too good to not bring. I wouldn't have any problem with people bringing a team full of mesmers or spirit spammers, so long as they are using unusual builds - I think any build that doesn't use any of the banned skills should be interesting to see.

    I'm not sure how far back you're thinking, but the current meta optimal hero team has basically been the same for 8 years. I'm pretty sure none of the banned skills have been changed at all in that time.

    Yeah okay, I probably should have specified a goal such as "complete Tahnnakai Temple HM - you may use cons"... so yeah, that's your goal! Get Master's reward in that mission with 7 heroes and none of the banned skills. First person to post a video (make sure all hero bars are displayed!) wins a special prize (someone please provide a prize).

    Fun challenge: try to come up with an effective team build for general PvE using 7 heroes, but without some of the OP meta skills that form the backbone of most teams. Your goal is to get Master's reward in Tahnnakai Temple. No consumables (including pcons and DP removal) are allowed - that would make this too easy!

    The banned skills are:

    PvE-only: "Save Yourselves!", Ebon Battle Standard of Honor, "You Move Like a Dwarf!", Pain Inverter
    Monk: Aegis
    Necro: Signet of Lost Souls, Putrid Bile, Death Nova, Enfeebling Blood, Mark of Pain, Blood is Power
    Mesmer: Power Drain, Unnatural Signet, Cry of Frustration, Energy Surge, Mistrust, Shatter Hex, Wandering Eye, Arcane Conundrum
    Rit: Shelter, Splinter Weapon, Signet of Spirits, Protective Was Kaolai, Mend Body and Soul, Life, Flesh of My Flesh

    Ele: Ether Renewal

    Sin: Death Blossom

    Feel free to not adhere too strictly to the rules - if you reeeally want to use one of those skills and you don't think it's too OP, that's fine. Just come up with something that doesn't look like you used a cookie cutter!

    This might not have looked so stupid if you hadn't presented it from the start as already having been decided. Even now it's not clear if you've committed to this 100% or if you're still waiting for "votes". Carry on like this and you're just going to cause even more pointless confusion.

    EDIT: this guide is much better, so you should run that instead and ignore this thread (=

    This is a team build for players with brand new accounts. Whether you're a GW veteran or just started playing for the first time, you'll be able to put this team together from an early level, and at minimal cost. It uses no elite skills, requires no special equipment, and it'll work with whatever player build you want to run (although you probably shouldn't run a healer or double up any of the spirits). You can start using this as soon as you're ascended (so you can buy the skills) and have the heroes.

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    M.O.X.: [build=OgijAyhjIPOuy538s5NxYMzLGA]

    Ogden Stonehealer: [build=OwUTMsGD35utR20T/uYPID4PA]

    Vekk: [build=OgNEgMn985E2+GKNdIyIcEQ0i]

    Gwen: [build=OQhkAoC8AGKipP95wFME9QGcx]

    Dunkoro: [build=OwYT00nCl5utR20TfkR9IgcXB]

    Sousuke: [build=OghCwDqTY7bo00hIjwBt4iB]

    Olias: [build=OAhCUrlkC4pTaAaQVFVwR1FD]

    Once you've progressed a bit further, you can replace Vekk's build with Master of Whispers and M.O.X. with Xandra.

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    Master of Whispers: [build=OAhjcsGYIODzJn0ccWV/E2BLB]

    Xandra: [build=OACkAuiMpFKjjrc+NPbeTMGz8iB]

    Remember to have your low level heroes in the party when accepting quest rewards, so they also gain the experience. As they level up, put more points in their most important attributes. If you get any useful equipment drops, do put them on the heroes, but you probably shouldn't waste any money on gear, unless you're working towards a more advanced team. As you unlock good elite skills (such as Energy Surge) and useful heroes (Norgu, Livia, Razah), you can upgrade the team for higher level content. I recommend BiP support.

    Feast of CORRUPTION baby


    owls or penguins?

    EDIT: just realised I actually made the first response to this topic 2 years ago and asked the exact same question (wow I'm imaginative) so here's a different one...

    Rick or Morty?