Posts by PyroLobster
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#14 - 10e
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"You should clarify, Bots make getting the supplies needed for records easier. Not the actual record."
I explained thoroughly what I meant by this statement, dont be so dishonest and pretend it needs clarifying.
"To do the records we do it's frankly not possible w/o bots."
Please see my above explanation, this is nonsense. If it takes you 100 hours farming to get enough pcons for 1 attempt than its possible. Only a question of scale and the time required to gain a stack of each pcon is not that substantial if you good at the game
"That's cute please screen your sweet title."
I wont bother with this stupidity as neither of us can present a sweet tooth title that can show how many pcons we hit just for records as toons are used for other things and can smash stacks on non pcons points anyway.
How is it irrelevant or a fallacy? Prices are nearly halved?Its a fallacy because your cost of using pcons is mitigated by the drops you pick up and this would be reflected when that cost changes. If bots were banned causing pcons prices to go up the value of items dropped using pcons would go up also. Changes in price cause changes in behaviour. Hence any change is ultimately irrelevant in the long run in terms of using pcons, gaining rewards, buying more pcons with those rewards. Don't know what you mean by "Prices have nearly halved", please provide more detail if u want an answer.
"If you know me I always say if you aren't popping lunars you're leeching....."I'm sure somebody who bots lunars would say that lol
"Can your economic degree from clown college explain why pcons been rising past month but arms are the same and pretty much and items are pretty much the same/lower price?"
Yes it can, happy to school you so you understand.
1. Prices of pcons been rising because of simple supply demand forces. For example its been almost a year since apple and corn dropped, during that time majority have been used. Scarcity + near continuous demand = prices go up. Lunars far more dramatically because of a lower than normal amount of bots where around during the event so the starting supply for a years cycle was lower than normal. Same goes for all event bound pcons.
2. Ecto prices have risen dramatically in recent months because of 1 simple factor, bots. When they got an account maxed with plat they buy ectos from the trader which pushes prices up. Majority of items that aren't directly botted have gone down (when priced in ectos) but when you covert both prices to a fixed asset, say lockpicks you will find most are unchanged in any real way. Obviously some will have gone up and other down because of other factors but the general trend is true.
4. A month in this game is a snapshot. In a market with so few of each item traded daily / weekly price changes happen super slow. Can take months for a say an increase in obby edges being dropped for the market to become over supplied and the price of exchange reduced in any meaningful way. Therefor trying to explain real prices changes on a certain asset over short periods of time is very difficult. Longer term trends however can be explained with some basic economic reasoning.
5. When you account for increase in ecto the price of arms has gone up significantly this year. 1a = 50e when ectos were 5k vs 1a = 38e when ectos are 10k and to a lesser amount over the last month. This again is primary due to bots. They generate plat which gets turned into ectos then ectos get exchanged for arms. Massive increase in the demand for arms pushes prices up in real terms. Even with almost none destroyed and new ones being created constantly the inflationary pressure created by bots overwhelms the steady increase in supply.
6. Small mistake on my part to write "prices of everything" although I did clarify it more than once. Once more time just for you: Anything that is created by a method currently using pcons would increase assuming demand side of equation remains the same (which for majority it will, people always gona wana buy eblades, VS ect)
"I used to DoAsc for 10+ hours a day every day of the week guy...."You not the only one who plays to much Guild Wars you know
"What in the world did I just read."
You know exactly what it means. No lvl / gear grind so its fashion wars! -
Yes getting ur pcons essentially for free or even a reduced price makes attaining records easier. Speeding hours each event killing raptors or vaettir to get drops is effort. Spending time doing profitable activities to buy pcons from others is effort. Two brand new players start on empty accounts, 1 has bots 1 hasn't. Which one you think is gona be able to get a record first? If you are constrained by the need to farm or buy pcons you are at a great disadvantage in terms of time you can spend grinding records and the costs associated with it compared with somebody who isnt. This is obvious, hence "bots make records easier".
To say that without bots records are not possible is frankly insane. I can tell you categorically that you can get a record without boting cause ive done it. (See all time PURE Arachni + TAS, standard and duo). I have never botted anything and I can guarantee I've use more cons, pcons, rocks, tengus ect in that 2 lvl dungeon that you have in DoA with multiple people. Both in terms of attempts and even more so in pcons/cons used per hour. And before you give me the "I'm paying reduced prices because of others botting" argument (which i accept) this is an irrelevant economic fallacy that you and so many others mindlessly parrot.
Cons are an input cost of doing profitable activities. You pay a small amount per run for the consistent profit in DoA or a chance at a large payout from an end chest elsewhere. If bots ceased to exist pcons price would rise (all other things being equal). What everybody fails to take into account is this would incentives people to farm them and use them more carefully. Just these 2 factors prevent prices rising above a certain lvl. At the point it becomes attractive to farm them for a good profit per hour the supply problem lessens and will be reflected in prices. Same goes for reduced use, as they become more valuable people will use them less (or not at all) / more efficiently. Anybody who uses lunars knows this all to well right now. Beyond this pcon price increases would have the knock on effect on prices of everything else. With cost of running higher less people will run and the new supply of high end items dropped in runs will be reduced. This will result in the cost of running to reward ratio not really changing. Yes pcons might be twice the price but a good drop will be worth substantially more because of it. Thus you can exchange ur reward for the input cost of same amount of future runs as you could previously (once the new balance has been found).
Even if this was not the case I could afford double, triple w/e pcons prices and still smash them endlessly killing spiders cause I've played the game alot and made lots of profit. You could do the same but you dont want to put the time and effort into it. You want cheap or free record attempts without the necessity of the profit grind. I can understand that, its an attractive prospect but I'm not willing to openly support cheating to make it happen whereas you seemingly are.
I don't deny such a situation will have other perhaps unwanted consequences. For one it makes the problem of people bleeding out of cash from using pcons while waiting for a drop worse and certainly some will stop playing rather than change behavior. Others will not wish to spend time doing profitable farms / directly farming pcons and only want to SC for fun with no care for profit. This will decrease the amount of runs taking place and increase the price on high end items. Thus a balance will be found between input cost of pcons and the rewards. Some argue that this situation will "kill the game" which I disagree with. No doubt the part of the sc community that plays for fun / records and doesn't want to grind profit (instead of botting) to keep sc'ing will be reduced but the game will go on without them. It will go back to being what it was suppose to be, a fashion chasing mmmorpg grind fest.
Just to be clear: My position is ban 100% of bots now and forever.
PS. Apologies for typos
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The value of any achievement in the game is lessened because of bots, both directly and indirectly. It would have been a far greater accomplishment to get a 23min 5man if no bots had existed. The ability to obtain all the pcons used legitimately, farmed or bought would have substantially added to the effort required. No record can claim 0 help from bots, prices and supplies of consumables are what they are but to bot them yourself is to significantly reduce the value of ur achievement imo. Same goes for toolbox, PURE records are far more impressive that TAS for obvious reasons.
Its simple stuff, bots make content easier. Bots make records easier. You prefer it easy and seem happy to support cheating to keep it that way.
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wow. that is fucking brutal!
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bump. Some stuff now free. First come first serve
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750a + 10a for ur paint skills
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#5 - 3aRretract, found another
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Who knew there was so much love for q1. Have another
(This one is my real fav, Vabbi is guchi and everybody knows it)
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bump, new stuff
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demon -3 20e
blunt -2ench - 20e
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Bronze - 5a
q10 Dusk - 25e
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r/b demons defender
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Both from 1 doa, kinda funky
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Q12 verta - 5e
Q11 Shadow - 5e
Q9 Shinobi Blade - 5e
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Gold Copperleaf - 20e
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dwarf tall shield -10e
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Necro feather farmer - 1a
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Purple Shadow Shield q10 - 10e
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Q3 blue tall - 25e
