Posts by Guild Cape

Hey, GW is being kind to the solo iron!

I mean... it could "just" be obscenely rare still.

I can't be the only one who has quite a list of skins - including all the hammers and bows - that they still haven't seen, despite being a few hundred gold items into killing angry cows. The caster stuff on the other hand isn't too hard to get (both here, or in the other good places) if farming for it. I think in all the farming I've done I've had only four shields, yet I must be well over 10 hourglasses now.

I'd also point out that we haven't had a Soulbreaker yet either, and the only reported Sunspear I know of was from a chest. If Chance Encounter wasn't as good as it is, I wouldn't be surprised if the Japan shield proved equally elusive.

If you exclude the Tolkano swords (which are clearly different, dropping at non-gold rarities etc) we haven't identified any location specificity for subsets of the promotional items that "might" drop in that campaign - it's like a creature either drops none of the new items or gives a whole heap (potentially all) of them.

There is also Johon Oxflinger outside EotN which is a norn boss and probably much easier/faster to farm rather than Avarr in the back corner.

Gave the farming a rest to play a solo character a bit more, and this character's first new drop was from a Level 22 Dune Burrower in The Scar, NM.

It is q9 SR and has only 19% inherent HSR.

Anyways, this one has an unidentified value of 43g.

Not entirely sure what that means, but maybe Red would like to know

I've put quite a few hours into killing the angry cows outside Olafstead as well, am up probably a couple hundred gold drops there (and possibly into double digits of hourglasses at this point) but no sign of darksteel or glacial anything.

FWIW I found a setup that doesn't need pcons and that blows up Asterius as well if he spawns close enough to keep aggro. Not sure how sharing this stuff goes and whether it's just asking for bots to jump on it, though.

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Killed thousands of HM minotaur in Elona reach during favor and dozens of Hydra and Desert griffons, nothing. I did get the new items from chests, some of them linked to minotaurs. I don't think I'm gonna bother with Cantha and Elona since based on our data the drops work the same way there.

It seems likely at this point that in proph/fac/nf the new items function much like the Fellblade in proph, in NM only high level foes and chests can drop them, while in low-level areas in HM only locked chests can drop them. Unfortunately this would exclude the possibility of q8 or lower in proph/fac/nf. For whatever reason eotn doesn't follow this rule since we've seen low q golds from raptor nestlings.

The HM Istan chest should (I think?) also be level 22, which matches the NM berserking eotn creature drop a few days ago.

I'd point out that the low req items from raptor nestlings are the Tolkano type swords which behave differently to all the promo-type items (some drop at non-gold rarity, can be salvaged for mats, are much more common). So far I don't think anyone's shown a promotional item drop from a nestling, only from the raptor boss. If nothing else, the ratio of general gold weapons to promotionals from here seems really really bad compared to other things (like chance encounter).

I'm wanting to figure out why some creatures drop promotionals/preorders and others don't, though. Level might be important, but if it was the whole story it doesn't explain why some places apparently refuse to produce drops even in HM, or why 26 chilling wisps do drop but spectral vaettir don't. The idea of heavily farmed stuff being specifiically excluded seems pretty out the window with more of these observations of things that seemingly don't drop promo items. I'm not sure what to do at this point except throw ideas out and see if anyone has thoughts/ideas on it...

Questionable theory #1: natural weapons?

One idea I've since had is that creatures with might be called "natural" weapons can't drop the new stuff - but that still has issues. Raptor boss? Beserking animals? That screenshot of a simian dervish dropping one? Could be that most EotN "animals" are somehow different internally and technically wield weapons - spectral vaettir however always have their earth damage nibble, and maybe nestlings could be forced to do wet noodle damage, or some reason that excludes the boss. I should probably try those wisps - the wiki implies they all wield the same scythe skin which is a little weird. I haven't paid any attention to what Ministry members are holding, either.

If anyone knows more things about enemy weapons/damage, it might be interesting to put that pretty tenuous idea to bed. If nothing else it'd maybe be useful to pay more attention to how much damage things crit for when farming them and whether there's any variance or other evidence of randomised equipment at play. The only resource I ever stumbled upon that touches on this topic is this: https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:Prai…tile_NPC_Damage

Questionable theory #2: something to do with loot pools?

I know basically nothing about this, or about the topic in general.

If you go to raptors, why is it that virtually every single gold item you get is one of a pretty limited number of skins? Stuff like Great Conches, Sage Blades, Jagged Reavers, Piranha Hammers, Glyphic Mauls, Turtle Shell Bows, the very occasional Elemental Sword, and now the two Tolkano sword families as well. What's also curious is that the nearby chests give items that killing the foes seemingly can't, or if they can they're much much much more easily obtained from the chests (eg Starfish Focus, Saurian Scythe). For some reason, in other places there's what feels like a heavy bias for gold items to be "for" the profession of the foe that drops them, but the raptors don't seem to care so much. Also, the new promotional items seem to ignore that more or less completely.

That said, Vaettir feel like they can drop a much wider variety of stuff, and yet they're apparently still off the menu for promotionals.

Arced may be from EotN undead in general - pretty much the only wiki drop research entry for the new skins notes one from the prophecies entry quest.

Not sure what else that and SoO have in common...

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well the wiki does state:

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Notes

• Reiko's speech is reduced considerably in the hard mode version.

so that would be a valid reason imo

As someone who also has farmed the NM version in HM, when you go back to it the dialogue starts around "Your anger betrays you..."

Not sure what the HM quest looks like though.

The wiki has a logged quicksilver from a destroyer in NM destruction's depths: https://wiki.guildwars.com/index.php?titl…r&oldid=2705014

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Storm Ember from Berserker Bison in Bjora Marshes NM.

Outside of the Tolkano swords, this one I think takes the cake for lowest level foe to drop a new item.

(Though if Shing Jea HM chests are level 22 then that is equalled I suppose).

I'm still at a loss as to a pattern behind those creatures that just don't seem to want to drop them though.

I think there have been multiple reports of glacial blades (dagger type) from Boreal Station chests. Unclear on NM/HM, at this point HM chests seem much safer than NM ones.

I don't think anyone's reported anything about the singular glacial blade yet.

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Not personal, but ive seen a q8 15-21 etched sword drop in a thread here i think, which can only be dropped by lvl 20 or lower afaik

Thanks - though this is a Tolkano sword skin, and those seem pretty different to the promotional/preorder exclusives. Both vaettirs and raptor nestlings seem to drop their respective Tolkano stuff pretty frequently.

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We can also mention that the known farms in Cantha (mantids and dragon moss) got the same loot table as before.

I tried a lot, and ATM I never saw a new skin.

Someone else have the same conclusion?

I also tried some kaineng mantids and got nothing, but not nearly enough to feel very confident about that.

If dragon mosses (NM/HM level 24/26) also aren't dropping new skins then that would throw the NM level theory out the window. I'd sort of lined that farm quest outside Anjeka's shrine up as one of the next things to try.

But then... why else could the Drakkar djinn be able to drop them, but not vaettir or dragon moss? There's not much between these enemies except that vaettir and moss are going to be much more heavily farmed, and if that's the criteria then the fact Chance Encounter is as good as it is seems pretty messed up.

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Was chest running nm in Tasca's Demise and this dropped

That this was NM seems interesting. I don't know much about chests, but digging up an old Red post has it sound like anything that both gives TH points and isn't a Shing Jea/Istan/Ascalon HM chest is 24 RE: Chests with Q8 Max Drop Possibilities

That list also has that EotN NM at 24 I think. Maybe if I'm feeling like doing something brainless I'll go break some picks at Boreal NM and see if anything interesting happens! I still don't have maxed titles after all...

Some observations around enemy levels:

• Nobody's mentioned getting any new skins except etcheds from vaettir (20/26).
• People have reported promotional/preorders from raptors - but are these dropping from nestlings (15/25), or only from the boss (28/30)? Peter Kadar's vid has an hourglass from the boss, and the only promotional skin I got in a couple hours there was too.
• Chance encounter is clearly effective at getting new skins (24/26, 26/28).
• Multiple promotionals in this thread from Chilling Wisps (24/26)
• I have killed a slightly unhealthy amount of HM istan skale (4/22 and 13/24) and seen absolutely nothing new.
• Despite being NM and sharing with a full party, Mallyx waves (28/30) continues to drop me promotionals at a reasonable rate.

I'd be a little interested to hear more observations/ideas about the apparent discrepancy between raptors/vaettirs and chance encounter. Maybe it's time I started recording some actual numbers (ie % of golds that are new skins) too.

At the moment I the best I can come up with is that level a foe would appear in NM is the thing - has anyone had a new drop (except the Tolkano swords) from something that would be level 23 or below in NM?

I'm probably seeing patterns where there aren't any, but...

I must be somewhere around 10 or so weapons (all promo drop-anywhere type, none of the NF preorders) from NM afk mallyx now, and I think every single one has been some kind of Me/N/Rt/Mo item (listed most common to rare).

Incidentally, these are the professions in my party for the setup I'm using.

I think I need to start keeping proper data.

Mallyx waves, NM

At least shows that Dragon's Envy can drop Communing and not just primary attributes (first post is maybe suggestive of that)

Mods - no, seemingly any gold drop can have the profession mods of professions appopriate to the campaign. I seem to remember someone saying the zaishen chest loot has them on as well.

Items - probably insufficient data to be very sure at the moment. The swords that used to be pvp rewards only seem to have clear region preferences in EotN though.

Some more thoughts and seemingly open topics:

• The martial type items have been mentioned here less. Some, in particular both Nightfall preorders, glacial blade and glacial blades (daggers) haven't been mentioned at all, yet this thread has several mentions of hourglasses. Are they weighted evenly on a per-profession basis or something?
• On profession specificity (I see you edited some into the OP): it's going to be very hard to be sure, but based on my own experience and some of the screenshots in this thread there is little if any correlation between enemy profession and which of the new items they are dropping. Unsure about casters and attribute requirements, there are clear patterns with this in "old" drops (eg silver boars seem to require the attribute of the profession that dropped them from mallyx waves).
• Minimum level requirement still isn't very clear.

I've spent a bit of time in the Charr Homelands (seeing as it is sort of the "obvious" missing counterpart to tarnished coast and far shiverpeaks) looking for any flavour of arced blade but left emptyhanded. Maybe just need more luck/time though...

I also got them from Vaettirs.

Randomly did the Glacial Griffon (Cold as Ice) a bit later and it dropped a white lesser too.

I'm pretty sure I could salvage various kinds of etched swords into iron/steel. Haven't had any other tolkano type skins yet.

All the /bonus type skins I've had have not been salvagable for mats.

Besides the rehomed tolkano skins I've yet to see any of the new stuff that isn't gold rarity, which if running canthans in NM isn't gonna be favourable.

I've since had some more from mallyx waves in NM (quicksilver req insp/FC, unicorn's wrath req FC) to go with the smite wolf's.

I had a Wolf's Greed drop for me in NM (Mallyx waves afk).

Forgot to say, it weirdly had no option to salvage for mats...

I've killed a lot of the WiK flavour of these (tracked into 5 digits of them, with a large amount not tracked) and not had anything much of value other than the WiK specific drops. Maybe it depends on what you're after though.

Yes, as of most things of this level they can drop q8. I've not had a single one worth talking about though - I only ever remember getting one max q8 gold shield (was a single mod) and a max q8 FDS with increased sale value...

Their skin pool is pretty small, and I found myself getting way more martial stuff than caster items. I don't really know what to say about it other than it seems pretty unremarkable besides Shining Mauls and White Reavers. Oh, and they seem to want to drop a LOT of hornbows for some reason.

There's also a few quests that add mantle enemies to EotN where they can drop inscribables.

Okay I admit this wasn't today and I actually got this a couple weeks ago, but in the interests of topic change:

All three in Riverside Province, but that's my preferred area for mass murdering Mantle.

It's a little curious how I went ~30 weapons on the mesmer without seeing a mini and then come along with a necro and get three in the space of 10 weapons or so. Not that I'm complaining, of course! There's a bunch of differences just in WiK progression itself (mesmer has battle for LA available, necro did bare minimum to get to LA keep), and that the AP approach is anything from 30-100% faster than what I was doing on the mesmer, or it could of course just all be in the fickle RNG.

Since the mini peacekeeper is the only WiK enemy drop I haven't got yet I thought I should try to get it despite the fact I think he's ugly, and very rough numbers are making it look like maybe Peter Kadar's numbers for peacekeeper green drops might actually not be antifarm and they really are 3-4x suckier at dropping green weapons than Mantle. Plus it's not just one enemy profession that has no green to drop. Or maybe I'm now also antifarmed to heck. But, I'm getting about as many Mantle greens in areas which have 4-5x as many Peacekeepers as Mantle...? More data needed!

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u farm that with a sos build or a derv? and in nm right?

Yes, NM. I should add that I don't think farming this is at all worth doing from a financial perspective, my estimation would have the mini droprates into the realms of 1 in xxxxx. Certainly both me and Peter Kadar got to somewhere in the region of 30 green weapons before seeing a mini. It is however way more interesting than farming other things to me because of the sheer amount of variety in the things that can happen and that to be successful you really benefit from thinking about what the correct way to deal with each group is.

I haven't really explored the full range of things that might work to farm this, but I suspect derv is going to have a bad time: some of the healing bars have really quite a high output, there's a huge variety of stuff that makes melee sad, and not even spell targeting preventers will save you from some of the things they have (eg dark apostasy, signet interrupts, signet of humility) - Peter Kadar farmed one peacekeeper group with predictable comp over and over on a derv, but comparing his data to mine suggests put his green weapon drop rate as 1/3 to 1/4 of mine, which I think suggests he got bodied by antifarm really hard.

I've just been running around and clearing whole areas, the bars I've tried and had some success with are:

1. SoS: it works, it's the easiest thing to work with on this list by a fair margin, but its bad matchups (eg SoD divine peacekeeper) are really bad and trying to direct spirits to shoot something in particular is painful.
2. PI/wastrels mesmer: This can kill pretty much everything solo, including all the primary questline up to battle for LA. If you want to try hard mode, this is without a doubt the best thing on this list.
3. Assassin's Promise based stuff. It's harder to unpick the really problematic multiple healer/resurrection groups with this but if you try to avoid them, this is the fastest killing approach I have found. You're still at the mercy of EVAS deciding to wake up and act completely braindead for little discernible reason, but it is what it is.

Battle for LA can give you some really high kill rates but as far as I can tell does not drop greens: I got 3 stacks of orders here without seeing a single one - which at 10% drop rate means I got a kill count of ~7500, way way beyond the 1/300-400 droprate I'm seeing for green weapons elsewhere.

I have no idea if HM affects green/mini drop rates. It's really quite a challenge to get solo kills at all there, but it might be able to make the nongreen loot actually slightly more exciting than the complete and utter garbage you get from NM.

Thanks!

Both the Dorians I got were in Riverside Province explorable. Not that it means anything, but the first screenshot was by the Jade ranger boss in the temple, this one was at the bottom of the ramp up to the gaze meme bar necro boss.

WiK is now being mean and I'm getting way over my recorded rate for weapons, but somehow I don't think I can complain

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Wow...

How many kills was that in between? Crazy luck!

Big gzzzz

Thanks!

And good question - I stopped recording killcounts because I'm not needing to wait ages for energy between kills consistently any more.

Statistically, I'd put three weapons at somewhere around the 900-1200 mark, but based on the areas I remember going and clearing and the number of mantle that spawn it might be more like 500-600.

A mere three green weapons later, I cannot believe my eyes.

I guess this doesn't happen every day! (In the process of getting this I had 29 green weapons drop)

Wonder if I'll feel like keeping on going with these things.

It is no longer possible to obtain a q8 axe with max (6-28) damage, and hasn't been for a large number of years. While I don't know my stuff very well at all I'd imagine that everything except those three (chaos/hand/summit) can still be obtained today.

It's up.

Me, posting here for the first time in years less than 24 hours ago:

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the wiki is inconsistent in a few places - eg the White Mantle page and only there states that Mantle Devotees can drop Long Arm of the Law, which has me assume that they don't

Guild Wars, the next WiK green I get:

Not exactly a thrilling drop, but the timing amused me a bit... plus I could fix the wiki

Congrats!

As someone who's been recently fully solo clearing WiK areas in NM (currently at 22 green weapons and 0 minipets), it's interesting to compare numbers. Given you seem to be killing 3 green dropping foes each run (Firebrand, Divine, Enforcer), your green drop rate from weapon dropping foes is presumably ~1/1146.

Of my logged kills, I'm up to 12 weapons in 3747 kills of enemies that seem known to be able to drop weapons (the wiki is inconsistent in a few places - eg the White Mantle page and only there states that Mantle Devotees can drop Long Arm of the Law, which has me assume that they don't) - which puts me at a rate of more like ~1/312.

I recently started logging Confessor's Orders in areas where there are no helper NPCs that can potentially steal kills without loot. While I'm measuring Mantle, and your actual kill count for this is going to be hard to determine by the sometimes-there 4th group member, our numbers here are much more comparable (3445/43560 that assumes 3 kills every run is ~8%, mine is more like 9% with less than 1000 kills of data).

Sure, I don't have anywhere near your dataset size here, and I'm assuming consistency between areas/peacekeeper/mantles but it is maybe slightly interesting that comparing our numbers would suggest that the antifarm code knocked down your weapon drop rates to probably somewhere in the 1/3 to 1/4 range to what I'm getting from just wiping out whole areas. Obviously, life probably isn't long enough to ever hope to get any real insight into the effects (if any) this might have on the minis, but it's maybe a little interesting that Orders are seemingly not hit anywhere near this hard.

The place I've been shoving data: https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:Loggy/WiK

Ello,

So I'm pretty clueless as to what makes OS items collectible, besides the fact that nonmax probably aren't going to be worth much. I expect most of this is merch/salvage fodder, but I'd really appreciate some opinions from those who know better than I

In addition to the image, the following max low req inscribables:

q0 blue suntouched spear (8-12)

q3 blue tribal spear (10-16)

q2 blue sharktooth shield (ar10)

q3 blue sharktooth shield (ar11)

q5 gold sharktooth shield (ar13)

Thanks!

Hmm, I didn't know about the hornbow. I think I might've salvaged a gold insc one too...

It sucks that there's no great setup for farming the mantle. The nice thing about the Justiciar's End is you can grab a few heroes and just afk it repeatedly, though I might check the Hayda quests at some point too.

Concerning Shiro'ken: I'm of the opinion that certainly those in gate of madness won't drop them or we'd know about it by now. It's a required area in what is most likely the hardest mission in the campaign, the chances of somebody getting and reporting the drop is probably significantly greater than someone having obtained an insc white reaver from EoTN side quests, providing that the drop isn't just the next mini polar bear. The side quests might therefore be the same, or they may not: it's really hard to tell.

As for the EoTN star blade, that's one enemy in a pretty forgettable quest that is practically uncompletable in HM due to the soldier's stance buff in ~2010 which added blocking. Probability there seems a bit better...

Questions about the existence of abnormal drops from "out of place" mobs: if Justiciar's End (and similar quests) can yield insc white reavers, why can other NF/EoTN quests that spawn mobs dropping noninsc only skins not work the same way?

For what it's worth, I've sat and ran through that quest a few times and had only blue inherentless white reavers and shining mauls thus far.

Examples, off the top of my head:

Shiro'ken in realm of torment (Oni blade, forbidden staff, etc)

Star blade in Kilroy's tournament (Celestial staff/scepter)

WoC corsairs, but these use different bars so perhaps not (OS NF skins?)

Obsidian furnace drake from Drakes on the Plain (insc FoW drops, potentially 6-27 q8 insc chaos axe?)

Also, surely it is possible to still obtain r8 magmas shields from running maguuma chests in Tangle Root during Defend Denravi? I gave up quite quickly as it feels like there's exactly one chest that can spawn anywhere in the entire zone... Admittedly it's a dire run, like attempting to get q8 oni blades is currently, but I suppose I'm taking a bit of a theoretical viewpoint here.