Posts by Expugnare

Don’t merch It.

There is a market for items like this.

Pre nerf or not.

I’d merch it, but only cause of the bad mod.

Other mods would be worth keeping.

Good god man. Good god.

/bow

CONGRATS!!!!

Katana Q8 +5e is at minimum 150a imo, and likely more

Katana 15 ^ 50 is minimum 100a imo

Celestial Q8 +5e probably 50-75a

100e on my old Q7 offhand

Don’t early bump. You have 100+ posts and should know better.

Also I can see this getting 75-100a, if not more.

25e katana

R/b

Yuko Asakura

19a lantern

I personally would not sell it below 25a.

16a lantern

13a lantern.

Julio think about bo and let me know

10a lantern

5a

Yuko

s/b

Yuko Asakura > IGN

5a to start on Lantern

Yuko

5a Paper Fan

Yuko

Wolf hammer 15^50- 25e
Zodiac hammer 15^50- 25e
Melon hammer 15^50- 25e

Let me know b/o on them all.

IGN-- Yuko Asakura

200-300e max imo.

Nice item tho!

Definitely a few who would be interested.

Best,

Yuko

Where's that dude who tells everyone to merch stuff. He should be here.

Most of these PCs are spot on.

However, I think the Cele sword can easily get more than 50a. I'd wager 75a is not too much for it.

This isn't even close to max. While recent posts have somewhat opened my eyes to how crazy this market is and how willing people are to pay for stuff, this is not max, imperfect and not even prenerf.

I suppose I won't say merch? I just think getting 100e is gonna be tough. Aim for 10-20.

40a~~~ and 1a==120e

Agree. This is one of the few perfect Q9 mausoleum items left in game, has a good mod and is one of the better spear skins.

Considering what goes for 40a these days, that might even be a low estimate, but only bids will tell!

It's not dumb. What if he wants to buy it too?

PC is not just to evaluate stuff you are selling, or know of, but also stuff you want to buy or have wanted. Even if you don't know when/where you can find it.

5a cane

Amazing stuff Ikki. Holistically beat caster collection in GW if you ask me

Your Mesmer stuff in particular I like. Lots of variety and more nice Wands than icky staffs

200-300e imo

Don't you think the Cele could go much higher easily?

Not to be rude but I've seen absolute dogshit items sell for 15a (singlemod prenerf staves anyone)?

40a isn't that high by comparison.

Merch both

Jk, I agree with blink and I think it could go to that level without much difficulty

The Magmas is tougher, as the mods are meh, but it's still a Q8 Magmas. I would say it can reach like 25-30a with potential for more.

Hopefully more people give their PCs on these though!

Great stuff Tyrant. Your love of matching numbers is downright inspirational. Also best purples in GW history, barring, perhaps a Triplemod or two.

And Kairi, fantastic as always man. Come back, we miss you in the Guild Hall!

Yuko

Here's what I think--customizing an item is a symbol of dedication. It indicates that you aren't in it for the money. It might change the market, but I seriously doubt people who do it care about how it hits the market. Uncustod items are like liquid wealth. Custod items are inert from an economic POV.

Also they make you somewhat safer from hacks

Okay I've got some free time, so I'm going to address Kromp's points in turn, cause I actually only have a slightly nuanced difference in opinion from him. However two nota benes before I do-- (1) it's hoard, not horde; a maniacal army of Q8 +5e swords and axes are not preparing to sweep through the undefended farmlands :P, and (2) attacking someone's person and character (even via generalized implication) rather than their argument is frankly childish, and something both people arguing have done. I repeat, take it somewhere else, like the PMs.

Moving on then--

HI Kromp. Welcome back, please stay longer, we miss you god damn.

(A) To address your first point, I should have clarified that in saying market manipulation is close to impossible via PC, I meant that strictly in regards to the current market. Some people have insinuated that the reason that items which previously would be considered terrible are selling for multiple sets of FoW armor is because PCers have created a culture of overvaluation. This is simply put wrong, poorly supported and as close to mudslinging as you can get in a context like this. Most importantly it vastly overexaggerates the importance, vitality and influence of Legacy and it's PCers.

(B) I think you're slightly missing the point with my argument on artificial scarcity. I largely agree with Surge because he recognizes that creating an item drought is only possible with comparatively matching demand. The only way it can happen, though, bolsters your own point--the item can't be that rare to begin with. The reasons hammers isn't a great example is that (1) you're right, they're rarer by a wide margin than Canthan staves for example; but also (2) there's low demand. And honestly, rarity and price manipulation are antithetical other than very rare, discrete examples. The reason for this is that (truly) very rare items are probably too rare to have high associated demand. Y'all must remember watching Q8+5e swords all being bought for 50-100e, then being sold for 100-500e? This wasn't just one trader, at least three had banked up the widely available population of these items and then repackaged them. People paid high prices because these are popular items, regardless of their actual rarity which as a set of mods isn't extraordinary. What you have to remember is that for an item to be hoardable and manipulatiable it has to be rare, but not insanely rare. It has to be mass marketable after all--let's take my or Oofus or Ikkis collection of Fire Ele Wand, even if we had basically all existing Q8 Fire Wands we couldn't price fix because (1) no one gives a fuck about Wands and (2) mods are not uniform throughout, because Wands and offhands are Inherently about 10x rarer than any generic pre nerf martial weapon. On the other hand, something like Canthan staves are an example of something with easy enough and uniform mod set (20/20). Because they're
not so rare, and had artificially limited supply with high demand, they're a great and easy market to manipulate. . I would know--I've had all of them and personally seen the items face fluctuating value as collections filled. So I suppose I should have clarified, I did not and would never imply that you or Kabong created an artificial hammer scarcity. And, moreover, if you did there is not enough of a market to have it matter. That's why I think Surge is a bit off base RE dual reduc, but I am not a subject matter expert, so I'll let that slide.

That's all to say this--if 20/20 Wands were as common as 20/20 staves, they'd be much easier to value inflate. You just can't do it with something ultra rare. It's contingent on a lot of things being sold at certain prices to create demand.

Anyway, I still maintain the biggest culprit for such rampant price inflation is botting and ingame gold buying. But Ikki is right, even indirectly, most active collectors and traders have benefited from this fact. I would never have gotten my Q9 20/20 Fire Dragon if people didn't bot them like crazy (salty as I am that so many people have it now....), no one would be selling items like Q8 bows for 200a unless gold buyers had spiked the economy, etc. Hell, even beyond that a lot of great items were only made available to their owners via hacking, or trade mod fuckery, etc. My disagreement with Ikki is that I unequivocally think that despite the clear benefits, this stuff really hurts the game. Most people, I think, agree and wish it would stop.

Anyway I doubt we have many real solutions available but I sure do like talking it out on the forums

Amazing job! Those screen shots are just beautiful too.

Glad I could help

Sorry Ikki and Max, you're both wrong and honestly acting childish.

Neither of you are able to manipulate the market, and it's pretty stupid to suggest that it's possible via PC.

Surge is right about basically everything he posted (other than a Pokémon being better than GW). The reality is that the only legit example of market manipulation is (1) hoarding of Q8 caster swords/axes from a couple years ago, and potentially (2) botting of Canthan staves. Market manipulation, if possible in his game, is only able to be done via selling. That way the ones that control the supply (via hoarding or botting) can set prices for the items. There are probably other examples of hoarding/artificially limited supply, but none have ever had actual demand to pair with them (for example dual reduc, caster shields or hammers).

Current market conditions have very little to do with either of the people arguing here, so take it somewhere else.

200e+ imo

Don't merch staves.

Probably 10-15e each. People love Celes

It's not and can't be market manipulation when it's a niche item.

Market manipulation only works in broad categories because there is demand--case in point Q8 +5e Swords and axes.

Unless you mean the overvaluing of prenerf staves/etc in general, but that comes down to age and botting imo. You definitely can't ascribe market condition to one person or even a group, outside of discrete examples like Q8 +5e weaps or botting devaluing Canthan staves.

Also I think Ikkis argument only makes sense in terms of -2/-2 if he's arguing artificial scarcity via hoarding ? But I guess that could apply to something as big as Hammers too, with someone like Kabong; of me with fire items.

To me that is not market manipulation.

Bids give you a ballpark of interest that you can use to create a buyout.

Otherwise why even have our bidding process at all. . .

It's all about creating and gauging interest to meet those two numbers I referenced.