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100e/ea - vera, rago wand

50e/ea - stonehart, sourbeak, lian, bortak cesta

Would like to confirm vera and rago's wand in game if you don't mind. Vera looks like it, but can be hard to tell without a side-by-side. Lighting in that spot/screenshot isn't the best - hard to say what color rago's actually is.

edit: rago wand is postnerf (sad reacts)

So this happened today. Funny as there was discussion recently of whether or not these still drop. This is the closest I've personally gotten to one. If there was any remaining doubt before, it can definitely still happen.

Haven't ID'd it yet.

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Added 3 new confirmations to the list:

• Fleshweaver (necro staff, prophecies): prenerf color matches the proposed (in the original research thread) prenerf color found in an old screenshot. Stats, order and icons are all identical.
• Gardock's Staff (monk staff, prophecies): prenerf color matches the proposed (in the original research thread) prenerf color found in an old screenshot. Stats, order and icons are all identical.

(Pretty sure we're down to just 3 remaining prophecies prenerfs!)

• Ironclaw (axe, factions): This one was a big surprise. I had originally listed it as "this done not have a prenerf until proven otherwise." Only the little stylized red lines on the blade change color. The prenerf Ironclaw matches the colors on any basic gothic axe, but the postnerf Ironclaw has slightly darker lines. I thiiink this is the first instance of an undyeable martial having this sort of change? It seems to match The Yakslapper's sort of one-off weirdness. (The base skin for The Yakslapper, "Sacred Staff", I think matches that of the prenerf version, and the postnerf seems to have the differing color.)
  
  • Will try to get a better picture at some point, or just replicate with a regular gothic. The prenerf I confirmed was customized (sad react). The icons for the two are identical as far as I can tell.
  • I'm still pretty confident that most, if not all, remaining items listed as "not having a prenerf" won't actually have a prenerf. What I can prob do is run through them again and check postnerf versions vs. base skins. If others *don't* match (like Ironclaw/Gothic Axe), then there may be a chance.

I still need to get around to some general thread cleanup and uploading some kind of image for the other confirmed TBAs from earlier. Hopefully that will help with finding some uncustomized versions.

M u c h T h a n k & E n j o y

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175e thunder

100e thunder

50e thunder

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Bump. There is work to be done.

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120ea curse/water

#8 3 entire balls of goo (unfrozen!)

lantern 5e

curses/water plat 100e/ea

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During "To Tahnnakai Temple," some foes or allies (I'm assuming allies, but guess I can't know for sure), must be treated as Oni by the game. On more than one occasion I've gotten Oni Shrouds from chests here (despite no Oni existing on the map). Shrouds don't drop from shiroken chests, so I guess q8 GPBs are restricted to Tahnnakai/Sunjiang, but Oni blades will drop from both "oni" chests and "shiroken" chests.

It's like one chest on the whole map, and it doesn't always spawn in the needed location. But could it happen? Sure, I guess.

Tahnnakai Temple (Mission), Sunjiang District, and Shenzun Tunnels (under the right circumstances). All NM of course.

These would also be the only current source of q8 max Golden Phoenix Blades if I'm not mistaken.

Good luck!

1a fan

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Yeah it's pre. The fans had a smaller window to drop than most other greens because they were added a couple months after the release of Factions. That said, most of the forgotten fans are a byproduct of totem axe farming, which was relatively popular. The wind riders that drop them are more plentiful and easier kills than the barbed grawls that drop frozen fans (they also seem to drop the forgottens more often than the frozens drop).

I'd place Forgottens above some other more common ones (tombs staves, kepkhets, etc), but not nearly as high as a frozen. You'll have some interest if you want to sell it. Also if you have some others you're unsure of please reach out. Thanks!

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Almost all images have been updated to the newer format & higher quality. They should all be clickable now too.

Went through and corrected the counts for confirmed and potential greens. Also fixed some images that had the wrong item shown...

Added 10 new items to the list!

1. Wenslauss' Chalice -- All Tombs greens (that should have a prenerf) are now confirmed!
2. Kaolin Accursed Staff (2nd version) -- All 3 Kaolin Accurseds are now confirmed.
3. Spiritgarden's Repose (2nd version) -- All 3 Spiritgarden's are now confirmed.
4. Ghial's Staff (3rd version) -- All 3 Ghial's now confirmed.
5. Kenrii's Sorrow (3rd version) -- All 3 Kenrii's now confirmed.
6. Talous' Staff (2nd version)
7. Zarnas' Wrath -- One of the very few greens that had a specific mention about a color change on its wiki page long ago. Finally confirmed after all this time.
8. Ssyn's Staff
9. Siska's Staff (2nd version) -- Color swap on this one seems to match the color swap on Ssyn's Staff. Confirming the old screenshot we found for the stat swap.
10. Snapjaw's Powerstone -- All three storm artifact pre-nerfs are now confirmed! Colors here match those of The Brimstone (pre & post).

There should be just 5 left to go for Prophecies and a lot left still for Factions. The remaining confirmed items with "TBA" still are ones I've personally confirmed in-game, but are either customized or not mine. Will work on getting images for them.

Thanks, lads

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Was gonna say, drop the 0's from Blind's pc. That's for the typical gold-colored pre-nerf. Most people, myself included, prefer this color but yeah if by regular you mean yours is brown in color then it's more rare.

In an effort to expand upon the ever-growing knowledge base surrounding "pre-nerfs," I have put together this list with what is currently known about pre-nerf green (unique) weapons. Please see these other threads for their respective pre-nerf information: Weapons, Shield & Focus, Runes & Miscellaneous. The original thread on this topic (which showcases the initial discussion and some of the earlier findings) can be found here.

"Pre-nerf/Prenerf," usually refers to anything produced in-game before the release of Nightfall and that is also not able to be produced currently or since. There are exceptions and slight variations, of course, and these will be outlined in their respective threads.

As far as pre-nerfs go, green pre-nerfs are a relatively new discovery. Because of that, this list is still very much a work in progress and future updates and/or changes to what is believed to be true can and should be expected to happen. As with other pre-nerf threads, if you can provide proof of something not currently documented here (or proof against something that is), please feel free to contribute.

There are hundreds of different green weapons in the game. I'll start by narrowing it down:

• Prophecies greens (with the exception of Deldrimor Talisman & War In Kryta greens) are all eligible to have a pre-nerf version.
• Factions greens (with the exception of most Amulet of the Mists greens & most Winds Of Change greens) are eligible to have a pre-nerf version.
• No Nightfall pre-nerf greens are currently known or believed to exist.
• No Eye of the North pre-nerf greens are currently known or believed to exist.

Most non-green pre-nerf weapons have a single identifier: their stats.

Because green weapons always come with a pre-set "package," they have a few more things to take into consideration:

• Stats
• Mod Order
• Color

A change in any of these is enough to be pre-nerf. Some greens may only have a change in one, while others show a change in all three.

In addition, some greens may also show different differences for the same item. Yes, you read that right.

While most greens will only have two versions (the pre-nerf and the current/post-nerf), some greens are known or believed to have three versions. This is because there were multiple updates that changed these items at different times (whether this was intentional or more of an unintended byproduct is unknown). For a green weapon to have three versions, it's currently believed that it must:

1. Show some kind of mod order change between the versions
2. AND
3. Show some kind of color change between the versions

Because of this, only some green staves from Factions (and Kepkhet's Refuge and Gorrel's Staff from Prophecies) are currently thought to have three versions, but other examples may exist.

A breakdown of the differences would look like this:

1. Current/post-nerf version: Current stats, mod order, and colors. Able to be dropped in-game still.
2. "Original"/pre-nerf/2nd version: These green items will have both a different color and a different mod order when compared to their current/post-nerf counterpart. These dropped from the time of their release until about a month or two before Nightfall.
3. Pre-nerf/3rd version: These green items will have the same color as their current counterpart, but the same mod order as the original pre-nerf. These dropped for the last month or two before the release of Nightfall.

A few confirmed examples of all 3 can be found in the list below.

The following is the list of greens currently known to have at least one pre-nerf version confirmed in-game. Please keep in mind that this list is incomplete. Additional entries will be added as they are discovered and confirmed.

CONFIRMED: 187 (45 Prophecies, 142 Factions)

NAME	DESCRIPTION	IMAGE
Prophecies	Prophecies	Prophecies
Ogre-Slaying Knife	Color change (weapon)
Victo's Maul	Color change (weapon)
N/A	N/A
Kepkhet's Refuge	Color change (weapon) & Mod order change (three versions exist)
Wenslauss' Faith	Mod order change
Brohn's Staff	Mod order change
Gardock's Staff	Color change (weapon)
The Yakslapper	Color change (weapon)
Ivor's Staff	Color change (weapon)
Wroth's Holy Rod	Color change (weapon) & completely different stats
Brohn's Holy Rod	Color change (weapon)
The Stonehart	Color change (weapon)
The Soulstone	Color change (weapon)
Wenslauss' Chalice	Color change (weapon)
Milius' Pillar	Mod order change
Runar's Brimstone Staff	Color change (weapon)
Flint's Fleshcleaver	Color change (weapon)
Galigord's Rod	Color change (weapon)
Brimstone Wand	Color change (weapon)
Rago's Flame Wand	Color change (weapon)
Galigord's Stone Scroll	Color change (weapon)
The Brimstone	Color change (weapon)
Flint's Artifact	Color change (weapon)
The Kindlerock	Color change (weapon)
Kole's Torment	Mod order change
Fleshweaver	Color change (weapon)
Bortak's Bone Staff	Color change (weapon)
Gordac's Needle	Color change (weapon)
The Shadestone	Color change (weapon)
Bortak's Bone Cesta	Color change (weapon)
Kole's Gauntlet	Color change (weapon)
Frozen Fan	Color change (weapon & icon)
Illyana's Staff	Mod order change
Gorrel's Staff	Color change (weapon) & Mod order change (3 versions exist)
Vokur's Staff	Color change (weapon)
Handsmasher	Color change (weapon)
Willcrusher	Mod order change
Gorrel's Cane	Color change (weapon)
Vokur's Cane	Color change (weapon)
Forgotten Fan	Color change (weapon & icon)
Illyana's Mirror	Color change (weapon)
Korvald's Chakram	Color change (weapon)
Garbok's Chalice	Color change (weapon)
Vokur's Chakram	Color change (weapon)
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Faith	Different stats (the prenerf is missing a mod)
Kai's Sword	Color change (weapon & icon)
Sskai's Sword	Color change (weapon & icon)
Rajazan's Fervor	Color change (weapon & icon)
Kaolin Blade	Color change (weapon & icon)
Quivering Blade	Color change (weapon & icon)
Vera	Color change (weapon & icon)
The Stonebreaker	Color change (weapon & icon)
The Ugly Stick	Color change (weapon & icon)
Kanaxai's Mallet	Color change (weapon & icon)
Sentasi's Jade Hammer	Color change (weapon & icon)
Wing's Axe	Color change (weapon & icon)
Ironclaw	Color change (weapon)
Razorfin's Axe	Color change (weapon & icon)
Strongroot's Shelter	Color change (weapon & icon)
Tarnen's Shield	Color change (weapon)
Merki's Gaze	Color change (weapon & icon)
Baubao's Shell	Color change (weapon & icon)
Jacqui's Aegis	Color change (weapon & icon)
Arrahhsh's Aegis	Color change (weapon)
Razortongue's Recurve Bow	Color change (weapon)
Swiftscale's Shortbow	Color change (weapon & icon)
Nundak's Recurve Bow	Color change (weapon)
Ryver's Shortbow	Color change (weapon & icon)
Chkkr's Flatbow	Color change (weapon & icon)
Nandet's Recurve Bow	Color change (weapon & icon)
Urgoz's Shortbow	Color change (weapon)
Urgoz's Flatbow	Color change (weapon & icon)
Razorjaw's Hornbow	Color change (weapon)
Kaolin Longbow	Color change (weapon)
Lorelle's Longbow	Color change (weapon & icon)
Chehbaba's Longbow	Color change (weapon)
Brrne's Recurve Bow	Color change (weapon & icon)
Meynsang's Longbow	Color change (weapon)
Inallay's Hornbow	Color change (weapon & icon)
Royen's Hornbow	Color change (weapon)
Ziinjuu's Sanctuary	Completely different stats
Kaolin Protection Staff	Color change (weapon & icon) & mod order change (three versions exist)
Jayne's Staff	Color change (weapon & icon) & mod order change (three versions exist)
Stoneweaver	Color change (weapon & icon) & mod order change (three versions exist)
Scourgewind's Branch	Color change (weapon & icon) & mod order change
The Scar Eater	Color change (weapon)
Hukhrah's Staff	Color change (weapon) & mod order change (three versions exist)
Ssuns' Staff	Color change (weapon & icon) & mod order change
Ziinfaun's Belief	Color change (weapon)
Mungri's Flame	Color change (weapon & icon)
Wayward Wand (Divine/Prot)	Different stats (mixed attributes)
Wayward Wand (Divine/Heal)	Different stats (mixed attributes)
Byzzr's Benediction	Color change (weapon)
Incetol's Focus	Color change (weapon)
Ky's Chalice	Color change (weapon)
Shen's Censure	Color change (weapon)
Kaolin Water Staff	Color change (weapon & icon) & mod order change (three versions exist)
Koosun's Fire Staff	Color change (weapon & icon)
Amadis' Air Staff	Color change (weapon & icon)
Kunvie's Air Staff	Color change (weapon & icon) & mod order change
Arbor's Earth Staff	Color change (weapon & icon) & mod order change
Seacrash's Influence	Color change (weapon)
Shatterstone	Color change (weapon & icon)
Zarnas' Wrath	Color change (weapon & icon)
Bahnba's Scepter	Color change (weapon & icon)
The Stonebreaker (wand)	Color change (weapon & icon)
Lian's Lantern	Color change (weapon)
Snapjaw's Powerstone	Color change (weapon)
Tarlok's Flagon	Color change (weapon & icon)
Bizzr's Fury	Color change (weapon)
Milthuran's Staff	Color change (weapon & icon) & mod order change (three versions exist)
Kyril's Fervor	Color change (weapon & icon) & mod order change
Kaswa's Gluttony	Color change (weapon & icon) & mod order change
Kaolin Accursed Staff	Color change (weapon & icon) & mod order change (three versions exist)
The Stonereaper	Color change (weapon & icon) & mod order change (three versions exist)
Ghial's Staff	Color change (weapon) & mod order change (three versions exist)
The Darkwish	Color change (weapon)
Woe Spreader	Color change (weapon & icon)
Bazzr's Wail	Color change (weapon & icon)
Rot's Putrescence	Color change (weapon)
Sourbeak's Taint	Color change (weapon)
Kkraz's Indulgence	Color change (weapon & icon)
Chan's Greed	Color change (weapon & icon)
Foulfist's Focus	Color change (weapon & icon)
Kaolin Domination Staff	Color change (weapon & icon) & mod order change (three versions exist)
Kenrii's Sorrow	Color change (weapon & icon) & mod order change (three versions exist)
Siska's Staff	Color change (weapon & icon) & mod order change (three versions exist)
Talous' Staff	Color change (weapon & icon) & mod order change (three versions exist)
Milefaun's Staff	Mod order change
Swiftspell's Staff	Mod order change
Wingstorm	Color change (weapon)
Wayward Wand (Dom/Insp)	Different stats (mixed attributes)
Wayward Wand (Illu/Insp)	Different stats (mixed attributes)
The Dream Haunter	Color change (weapon & icon)
Mina's Gaze	Color change (weapon & icon)
The Time Eater	Color change (weapon)
Mohby's Artifact	Color change (weapon)
The Purifier	Color change (weapon)
Deeproot's Sorrow	Color change (weapon & icon)
Hanaku's Focus	Color change (weapon)
Tahkayun's Pincers	Color change (weapon & icon)
Chkkr's Pincers	Color change (weapon & icon)
Shreader's Talons	Color change (weapon & icon)
Razorfang's Claws	Color change (weapon & icon)
Daggers of Xuekao	Color change (weapon & icon)
Kenshi's Butterfly Daggers	Color change (weapon & icon)
Kaolin Daggers	Color change (weapon & icon)
Everthorn's Chakrams	Color change (weapon & icon)
Falaharn's Split Chakrams	Color change (weapon & icon)
Arius' Sai	Color change (weapon & icon) & mod order change (the only known non-staff with a mod order change)
Shrouded Oni Daggers	Color change (weapon & icon)
Ssaresh's Kris Daggers	Color change (weapon & icon)
Urkal's Kamas	Color change (weapon & icon)
Onata's Shards	Color change (weapon & icon)
Ritual Lord's Staff	Color change (weapon & icon)
Spiritgarden's Repose	Color change (weapon & icon) & mod order change (three versions exist)
Orosen's Staff	Color change (weapon & icon)
Ssyn's Staff	Color change (weapon & icon)
Bazzr's Staff	Color change (weapon & icon)
Miki's Staff	Different stats (Unique change unlike any other staff)
Mossbeard's Wand	Color change (weapon & icon)
Wayward Wand (Spawn/Resto)	Different stats (mixed attributes)
Kaolin Wand	Color change (weapon & icon)
Vengeance Seeker	Color change (weapon & icon)
Spiritspeaker	Color change (weapon & icon)
Brightclaw	Color change (weapon & icon)
Soulwhisper's Guardian	Color change (weapon & icon)
The Pain Eater	Color change (weapon & icon)
Sseer's Wish	Color change (weapon & icon)
The Skill Eater	Color change (weapon & icon)
Spiriteater	Color change (weapon & icon)
Cho's Vice	Color change (weapon & icon)

This list is for potential pre-nerfs (those believed to have a pre-nerf version but have not yet been confirmed in-game).

Potential: 7 (0 Prophecies, 7 Factions)

Name	Description	Image
Prophecies	Prophecies	Prophecies
(None thought to remain. See next list below.)
(None thought to remain. See next list below.)
(None thought to remain. See next list below.)
(None thought to remain. See next list below.)
(None thought to remain. See next list below.)
(None thought to remain. See next list below.)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Factions	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Factions	~~~ Factions
(None thought to remain. See next list below.)
(None thought to remain. See next list below.)
Ssuns' Staff (3rd)	3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version already confirmed.	(Stats will match the already-confirmed prenerf, but color will match the post-nerf.)
Scourgewind's Branch (3rd)	3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version already confirmed.	(Stats will match the already-confirmed prenerf, but color will match the post-nerf.)
Sanhan's Staff	Completely different stats? (Similar to Ziinjuu's Sanctuary)	Photoshopped image of what the prenerf is thought to look like.
Arbor's Earth Staff (3rd)	3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version already confirmed.	(Stats will match the already-confirmed prenerf, but color will match the post-nerf.)
Kunvie's Air Staff (3rd)	3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version already confirmed.	(Stats will match the already-confirmed prenerf, but color will match the post-nerf.)
Kaswa's Gluttony (3rd)	3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version already confirmed.	(Stats will match the already-confirmed prenerf, but color will match the post-nerf.)
Kyril's Fervor (3rd)	3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version already confirmed.	(Stats will match the already-confirmed prenerf, but color will match the post-nerf.)
(None thought to remain. See next list below.)
(None thought to remain. See next list below.)
(None thought to remain. See next list below.)

This third chart lists all the remaining Prophecies & Factions greens which are thought to not have a pre-nerf version.

My reasoning for this, along with Oldschool Cool 's explanation for staves, is given here.

Until proven otherwise, these do not/should not have a pre-nerf version:

Note: I have been wrong about a few items before. If you have one of the items below and you think it may be different in some way, please let me know and I'll check it out.

Greens with documented retroactive changes:

Name	Information	Image
The Rockmolder	Originally featured a universal 20% recharge mod. This was the only focus in the game to offer such a benefit. All existing Rockmolders were changed.
Shiro's Blades	Originally required 15 Dagger Mastery. All were changed to 13.	Only managed to find a French screenshot. If anyone knows of an English one, please tell me.
Shiro's Sword	Originally required 15 Swordsmanship. All were changed to 13.
Stygian Recurve Bow	Originally functioned as a Longbow. All were changed to function as a Recurve Bow.	Image needed
Fervorborn Staff	Was originally misspelled as "Ferverborn Staff." All were corrected to Fervorborn Staff.
Iceblood's Warstaff	Originally featured a single HCT Water 40% mod. All were corrected to have two 20% HCT Water mods instead.
Phoenix's Retribution	Originally missed what is the equivalent of its inscription. All were corrected to include it.
Hassin's Shell	Originally had 10 armor with no requirement. All were updated to give 8 armor and +20 health instead.	Image needed
Imperial Dragon Spear	Originally came with four mods. All were updated to remove the extra +30hp.	Image needed
War in Kryta greens	All WiK greens were able to be modded at release. This was corrected and all were returned to their proper stats.
Various icons	A few images of greens with colored icons have been found. These colored icons aren't possible today (greens or not). We think these were retroactively changed. A few examples can be seen here: - Ogre-Slaying Knife - Flint's Artifact - An old bank tab showing what seems to be: -- Galigord's Rod (prenerf) -- Gorrel's Cane (prenerf)

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