That means a lot coming from you 😆
Posts by Captain Krompdown
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Maybe make price checks be submitted through a fillable form. One blank for the price, one blank for support/evidence/documentation?
This system would be open to abuse like any other but it's simple and gives people an easier way to evaluate the quality of the information they're being given.
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Are we talking about overly-optimistic PC's creating unreasonable expectations, or are we again talking about PC'ing with a personal agenda?
These aren't really separate issues. Extreme PCs (either high or low) can be given in service of personal interests. But like I said, that gets into trader ethics and is the deeper problem that Max may have been alluding to when he made his original comment.
Is it the framing of the educated guesses that's the problem?
Well it all comes down to this, doesn't it? The function of. PC is to provide the potential seller with a set of expectations. The least we can do is say what the basis is for the expectations we are providing. Recent sale? Failed thread on Legacy? Your general impression? Something you remember from a year ago? What you think a frantically motivated and infinitely rich collector might pay if he's in a giving mood?
Or should we just listen to you because you give a lot of price checks? Listening to someone because they talk a lot is a bad policy in every universe I've ever lived in
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Pleikki This conversation is about PCs, with a special emphasis on your PCs. Please don't try to say that your own statements about how you PC are out of context. If you want to claim that you've changed your mind about how to PC, that's one thing but accusing me of taking your statements out of context is a cheap way of defending yourself in a situation where you weren't being attacked. Grow up.
You adamantly defended your position (even calling other ways of PCing "market manipulation) and now you're aligning yourself with and adamantly defending the exact opposite idea. This is just one reason why so much of what you say just doesn't ring true with people who have more experience with the game and with you. Of course it all sounds good to new/returning players but the rest of us know what we're listening to.
As for what a good PC really is, I think we're going over territory already covered in the other thread, including jimbo32 's point about there being different segments to any market and the idea that different prices may be possible with different levels of time investment. Here's something I said in the other thread. I meant it then and I mean it now. See how that works?
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I think that information about actual sales of similar items (price, when the sale was made) is useful, but only for loose reference. I suppose that information about non-sales of similar items (e.g., "One of those has been for sale on legacy for XXXe for the last 2 weeks and nobody's taken it.") is also useful.
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If we are going to say that there is a market for an item, then there very well may also be segments to that market -- some potential customers who are only willing to pay a certain amount and other potential customers that may be willing to pay much more. Even the most benevolent PCer may only be familiar with one or another segment of the market.
That is why, IMO, the only useful info that can come from a PC thread is factual information about recent (non-)sales of similar items. But even that needs to be taken with a large grain of salt. That information is just as much about the seller's skill and determination as it is about the value of an item on the market.
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I don't want to say too much about this but I do want to say something because I laughed at Speedy's post for very different reasons than Zaishen did. Just so salty.
Brushing Speedy's salt aside, I think the issue that Max was pointing to is Pleikki 's clearly stated personal policy of giving price checks in terms of an item's maximum possible value, even if that means finding one specific collector with cash burning a hole in their pocket. Pleikki was explicit about his approach to PCs in this thread. When the maximum possible value of an item is called the item's "minimum price," it creates a situation where new/returning players will get frustrated at their inability to sell for the price they've been led to expect. This creates a whole set of downstream problems that we don't need to get into on this thread (unless you really want to).
I actually *like* the idea of giving minimum prices as PCs. When I was in the business of PCing (and it *is* a business, don't fool yourselves about the altruism various price check "gurus"), I would often give them in the form of "I wouldn't sell below X." I think that's a useful format. But the amount that I gave wasn't based on the perfect sale to the perfect person under ideal conditions. It was based on what the market generally supported at the time, as far as I participated in it. I think that kind of information (preferably with some kind of documentation) is the best we can do with PCs.
Inflating expectations with prices that reflect the maximum possible value of an item sold under perfect conditions is problematic. I think that's all Max was pointing out. Maybe he was also alluding to some of the downstream problems that this kind of price check can create (which get into issues of trader ethics) but, like I said, those can be left for another flame war on another day.
Hope this helps.
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Wish all the old screenshots there were visible
I hear you. Luckily, you can still access every page of the thread if you manually change the page number in the URL. For everyone's convenience, here are links to the pages of the thread. There's some great info in there, including about dual zealous/dual vamp and those were once used to generate "fake" unconditional weapons.
Enjoy!
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This link (that Motoko gave) is probably the best surviving list and discussion of the game's inventory of unconditional weapons.
As with any other legend, things tend to grow and become more and more disconnected from reality as the game of telephone stretches over the decades. I hope that game continues to stretch over many decades. At the same, though, it's nice to have a chance like this to dust off that thread and shine a little bit of light on reality.
Thanks, Motoko, for starting this thread. Hopefully it helps more people understand a little bit more about our little universe.
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I think this is pretty much nailed down. I agree that many people simply don't understand that items like this ever existed. They probably have just heard the term and are wracking their brains for something to attach it to. But just like anywhere else, sometimes the truth in Guild Wars is stranger than fiction.
The Axe is intact, pristine, and perfect. As it was at its creation. It is not only the best item in the entire game, but also the most important. A unique moment in Guild Wars history, frozen in time. A true relic.
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Here are some from my old necro collecting days. Nec was the only caster I ever really collected for and I focused on staves at the time but a few wands and offhands managed to fall into my lap. There used to be more, here's what's actually left on my account (at least that I found easily).
Effigies by attribute
All-purpose nec fan
Curses plague
Hope this scratches some kind of itch for you
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I applaud your taste in shields and wish you the best of luck. Stance gear is the best gear.
Get in touch whenever you get the chance. I'm sure I have some 44s around.
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Necro
Jellyfish Wand Q8 death hct 10% hsr 10%
Wayward Wand Q10 curses +14/-1e hct 20% curses
Accursed Icon (gorgon Skin) Q9 curses +1/20% curses hsr 20% curses (one of the very few perfect gorgons i know of)
Idol Q9 blood +1/20% blood hsr 20% blood
1a on each of these
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you got a bit sloppy toward the upper gold value range... ;D I've seen up to 620 at least!
On a more serious note: those are insane - some are fun, others incredible. I'm esp jealous of some items with a certain skin - as one might have guessed ... ;D but those caster crysta, swamp club, q7 hammer... rare to see these items these days - glad they are taken care of
It would be great to see some of the blanks filled in! Feel free to help out if you can 😁
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Today, our community gathers to mark the 15th anniversary of the release of Prophecies. It is a time for celebration, a time for memories, catching up with old friends, and maybe even a time for hope renewed.
To help celebrate, [PhD] has assembled our first "Guild Collection" -- a selection from the inventories of active members, voted upon by guild members, representing the finest item from our vaults at each of the possible gold values.
I hope you all find something in here that helps you remember and appreciate the beauty of this world we've all been part of for such a long time.
Here's to another 15 years!
And, since it's a celebration, here are some fireworks
0g - 164g
168g - 284g
288g - 404g
408g - 480g
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1.2k on the req 13 shadow blade
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For definites.
Thx, man!
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Truly magnificent. A relic from times when this universe still hoped for more from us. The merchant shouldn't n get this one.
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2a req 13 shadow
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Pretty homosetual if you ask me.
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Still love this idea for a collection. Nice work, Kormir!
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Actually, nvm. Retract.
Not my style.
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Oh you look like you could use some help
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Let me get that
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Ode to a bump
Bring this up
If you can
No wait
Let me help you
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The bigger the better
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1k req 13 wicked blade
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If I gave it to you I might have a nice Ogre shield but If i didn't give it to The Krompster he would have punished me at the guild hall in a most heinous fashion.
Perhaps if you upgraded you're tag you might see some preferential treatment
They don't make shields with +10 vs what you would've gotten
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This isn't so much a collection post as as a thank you to Bradols and Pyro -- my guildies in [PhD] -- for helping to keep my collection of heavy shields growing, even after all these years. Simply the best.
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O Kabongolina O might be interested in buying your req 13 sephis axe and the req 13 ram hammer.
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Gloom q13 Str +30HP -2(wE) - r/b: 350e
r/b on that guy
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1e just because of your avatar
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For real this time?
20e ornate
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Req 13 15^50 sephis axe -- 2e
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Watch me do it or die trying 😂
I'll try to catch up with you next time I'm on. Thanks again, Hairy! 👍🏼
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