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Posts by Damir
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I farmed at least double of your farm, never god q8 shield or sword out of them, just one q8 foci. Farmed certain quests also a loot, never got single q8 out of them. Their skin pool isn't so limited but they Dont tend to drop q8.
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Neutral_CH Thanks for the info!
Indeed it makes sense that a reset is in place, either a gradual or a hard one. I think we should also differentiate between drops from mobs, from NM/HM chests, and from dungeon end chests.
The mechanics of the source code might be similar for all of those, but there could be different scaling factors e.g.
Damir I admit I had never heard about the xp scrolls thing in SCs/casual dungeons. Do you have any kind of data about it, in the spirit of Pyro's data?
Not really, just info's from people that farmed dungeons for years. And ofc you won't see public some thing. People tend to keep some infos for themselves or share only in certain groups. But if you search for it, I believe you will find something on net. And people who used to bot SoO and bog, used these scrolls in there. And thats for a reason. I suppose exp scrolls are the way to mimick low level character, since they get more exp while leveling so actually game maybe seee them as lower level, who knows, but people believe it works.
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Interesting, I am currently filling books to cheese my survivor title, so I will have a bit more than 1,337,500 "untaxed XP" as you say. Before and after I turn them in I will do some farming and keep drop notes. I am thinking Gates of Kryta or Raptor farm, since I am doing this on my Warrior and I know how to do those farms already. If this theory is true, then it would seem that speedbooking and turning those books in before doing dungeons would net you better drops from the end chest, right?
That should be right. Need excessive testing. But I know people are using triple exp scrolls in SoO for years, and they know why they use them. So there is something.
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I will tell you something from way back. Then nerfed drop rates cuz of speed clear. People who do whole dung and get more exp get better drops then people who do SC. Try using triple exp scrolls and do normal run and see the drops.🫡
Damir I remember seeing you in an old thread on anti-farming code. Did you ever do any more testing with storybooks for your theory that there's a hidden XP value that dictates when you're more likely to get golds?
Yeah I did, 4 times. And I noticed increase in drop quality, by quality I mean gold item drop, not actually better mods etc. But that was time consuming and need more tests to prove it. But yes I believe that xp is a huge factor. The not "taxed" xp.
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Have you considered writing threads on here about your research? a wiki user page is not particularly easy to find, furthermore people may not even know to search for things like that in the first place.
you mention these things so casually, yet this might be complete news to many people
My research is very niche and I think doesn't need to be searchable. I just wanted a place to park the info, to which I can point as an introduction when I meet someone who is interested. I think a wiki is a better place for that, than a trading forum (and if any wiki user cares to verify my info, it can easily be copied to the main pages). The "research" section on this forum is not healthy anyway, it's basically a few people answering questions from players who don't have any info of their own to offer, and a lot of questions that would benefit botting (which, unlike most traders/collectors, I am vehemently against).
If you like a topic and make the effort to dive into it, you will meet like-minded players. There are so many things in GW that are complete news to many people (also to me). That's one of the reasons I love this game.
Care to explain how to use that infinite enchantment duration glitch?
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Little while back bought some new accounts mostly for storage. Decided to have 1 toon on each capable of getting nick sets ect so ran them around. Figured it was a good opportunity to do a little test id been meaning to do for years to answer the question: Do new accounts / new characters get better drops? I've been running dungeon for years and always had many accounts to get extra chests / running other people for books / points / ZB. It always seemed to be that the sought after chest rewards (Silverwing, BDS, Emerald Edge ect) went to characters than were opening that chest for the 1st or 2nd time and characters that had opened it many times rarely got anything. My theory was the first 3 opens of any given dungeon chest give a dramatically increased chance of the item(s) unique to that chest dropping and after that it becomes very low. I realize to some / most this is kinda known / assumed to be true but I've never seen it tested its always just anecdotal.
I had 6 characters on 6 separate accounts all who had done nothing but finish eotn and run around a few other towns. Ran them through 9 dungeons (so far), 3 times each in hard mode. So 6 drops per character per dungeon.
Did them in this order over 2 days:
1) Arachni's Haunt, 2) Oolas Lab, 3) Rragar's Menagerie, 4) Sepulchre of Dragrimmar, 5) Ooze Pit, 6) Darkrime Delves, 7) Frostmaws's Burrows, 8)) Bloodstone Caves, 9) Catacombes Of Kathandrax
Results: (Numbered 1-3 to indicate if it was 1st 2nd or 3rd chest open).Account #1:
2 - Q9 Insectoid Scythe
2 - Q11 Insectoid Staff
2 - Q13 Emerald Edge
Account 2:
1 - Q11 Storm Dagger
2 - Q12 Clockwork Scythe
1 - Q10 Silverwing Recurved Bow
Account 3:
2 - Q13 Signet Shield
2 - Q10 Cobalt Staff
1 - Q13 Golden Horn Staff
Account 4:
1 - Q11 Dryad Bow
1 - Q12 Astral Staff
2 - Chrysocola Staff
Account 5:
2 - Q12 Turquoise Staff
2 - Q13 Demon Fangs
2 - Q12 Ancient Moss Staff
Account 6:
1 - Q9 Insectoid Staff
1 - Q12 Cobalt Staff
2 - Q11 Violet Edge
3 - Q9 Topaz Scepter
So ignoring data size problem which is obviously present this is what happened:
- In all 9 dungeons we got at least 1 of gold drop unique to that chest, in many cases several.
- 1st chest open gave 7 drops.
- 2nd chest open gave 11 drops.
- 3rd chest open seems mostly a waste of time (at least when doing the same dungeon b2b). The only drop from the 3rd open was the Topaz.
- 0 Polymock pieces so I'm thinking that its unaffected by this effect and just a standard low % chance all the time
- The 2/3 other accounts in the party doing the dungeon got almost fuck all. 1 Chrysocola staff total (They had opened all these chest dozens of times over the years).
- Some of the time when one of the runners was also a fresh / fresher character (we swapped them in and out) we got some drops. Several staffs and a q10 emerald blade. Didn't keep good notes of these but we definitely noticed the difference.
Conclusion:
Even with such a relatively small sample size it really does seem that new characters and or new accounts get much better dungeon chest drops.
I'm pretty consistent with taking screenshots of good drops, its just a habit but came in handy with this. Went through the folder and this drop frequency is never seen with my older characters or even characters / accounts that are only 12-18 months old but been used ALOT in dungeons.
Considering I regularly solo / duo dungeons with 6-7 alts its a pretty decent comparison. Shame I don't have exact records but that aside that amount of drops these new accounts got in so few attempts just doesn't happen to me and I'm expecting when I repeat this test again it will show that. Predicting 4th 5th 6th chest opens will yield significantly less drops.Thought this was somewhat interesting information, do with it as you like. My advise = If you got some fresh accounts go open dungeon chests a couple times, seems lucrative. At some point I will do other dungeons on these 6 and repeat dungeons again for another 3 opens, see what comes. cba to post them all but here is some of the drops. PS. I definitely got screwed on reqs
Anybody done something like this before with same or differing results?The only time i've witnessed a BDS double drop was on a ''solo'' run, running a first time leecher.
And the irony when i jokingly mentioned the guy he definitely is dropping a BDS, if thats his first completion.. Not a BDS, but two.
Similar to when i returned to the game after a few yrs quit and Grant West would take me to some BogSC, which i had to relearn like any other, but joined as a monk, completing it after yrs, dropping 2 Q9 Frogs in 2 runs..one after another.. Also, it was never proven or researched to this point, but Lucky Aura also has something to do with drops
I think that lucky aura has big impact on item drops. Or I'm just imaginating things.
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Little while back bought some new accounts mostly for storage. Decided to have 1 toon on each capable of getting nick sets ect so ran them around. Figured it was a good opportunity to do a little test id been meaning to do for years to answer the question: Do new accounts / new characters get better drops? I've been running dungeon for years and always had many accounts to get extra chests / running other people for books / points / ZB. It always seemed to be that the sought after chest rewards (Silverwing, BDS, Emerald Edge ect) went to characters than were opening that chest for the 1st or 2nd time and characters that had opened it many times rarely got anything. My theory was the first 3 opens of any given dungeon chest give a dramatically increased chance of the item(s) unique to that chest dropping and after that it becomes very low. I realize to some / most this is kinda known / assumed to be true but I've never seen it tested its always just anecdotal.
I had 6 characters on 6 separate accounts all who had done nothing but finish eotn and run around a few other towns. Ran them through 9 dungeons (so far), 3 times each in hard mode. So 6 drops per character per dungeon.
Did them in this order over 2 days:
1) Arachni's Haunt, 2) Oolas Lab, 3) Rragar's Menagerie, 4) Sepulchre of Dragrimmar, 5) Ooze Pit, 6) Darkrime Delves, 7) Frostmaws's Burrows, 8)) Bloodstone Caves, 9) Catacombes Of Kathandrax
Results: (Numbered 1-3 to indicate if it was 1st 2nd or 3rd chest open).Account #1:
2 - Q9 Insectoid Scythe
2 - Q11 Insectoid Staff
2 - Q13 Emerald Edge
Account 2:
1 - Q11 Storm Dagger
2 - Q12 Clockwork Scythe
1 - Q10 Silverwing Recurved Bow
Account 3:
2 - Q13 Signet Shield
2 - Q10 Cobalt Staff
1 - Q13 Golden Horn Staff
Account 4:
1 - Q11 Dryad Bow
1 - Q12 Astral Staff
2 - Chrysocola Staff
Account 5:
2 - Q12 Turquoise Staff
2 - Q13 Demon Fangs
2 - Q12 Ancient Moss Staff
Account 6:
1 - Q9 Insectoid Staff
1 - Q12 Cobalt Staff
2 - Q11 Violet Edge
3 - Q9 Topaz Scepter
So ignoring data size problem which is obviously present this is what happened:
- In all 9 dungeons we got at least 1 of gold drop unique to that chest, in many cases several.
- 1st chest open gave 7 drops.
- 2nd chest open gave 11 drops.
- 3rd chest open seems mostly a waste of time (at least when doing the same dungeon b2b). The only drop from the 3rd open was the Topaz.
- 0 Polymock pieces so I'm thinking that its unaffected by this effect and just a standard low % chance all the time
- The 2/3 other accounts in the party doing the dungeon got almost fuck all. 1 Chrysocola staff total (They had opened all these chest dozens of times over the years).
- Some of the time when one of the runners was also a fresh / fresher character (we swapped them in and out) we got some drops. Several staffs and a q10 emerald blade. Didn't keep good notes of these but we definitely noticed the difference.
Conclusion:
Even with such a relatively small sample size it really does seem that new characters and or new accounts get much better dungeon chest drops.
I'm pretty consistent with taking screenshots of good drops, its just a habit but came in handy with this. Went through the folder and this drop frequency is never seen with my older characters or even characters / accounts that are only 12-18 months old but been used ALOT in dungeons.
Considering I regularly solo / duo dungeons with 6-7 alts its a pretty decent comparison. Shame I don't have exact records but that aside that amount of drops these new accounts got in so few attempts just doesn't happen to me and I'm expecting when I repeat this test again it will show that. Predicting 4th 5th 6th chest opens will yield significantly less drops.Thought this was somewhat interesting information, do with it as you like. My advise = If you got some fresh accounts go open dungeon chests a couple times, seems lucrative. At some point I will do other dungeons on these 6 and repeat dungeons again for another 3 opens, see what comes. cba to post them all but here is some of the drops. PS. I definitely got screwed on reqs
Anybody done something like this before with same or differing results?I will tell you something from way back. Then nerfed drop rates cuz of speed clear. People who do whole dung and get more exp get better drops then people who do SC. Try using triple exp scrolls and do normal run and see the drops.🫡
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Is that pre searing lol?
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It cost me a few crates of beer with the centaur generals, but it was totally worth it.
I wish they still dropped.
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Tell him I want to negotiate then.😂
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Looking pretty
Gz. Where did it dropped?
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I assume they cannot be obtained any more?😂
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Why not ?
To each his own, but if you ask the question it means that you also accept answers from different opinions. Otherwise post without text and wait for reactions
Thanks for your opinion, smart....🫡
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I know, got many q8 through the years, still like to do it. But I'm hooked now to OS q3 shields farming lol.
I also love Q3 farming, and in all honesty, it "feels" as though getting a max Q3 gold item other than a shield (Q3 shields are very rare but will always be max) is just as rare if not more than Q8s. Now I am sure this will get some debates, but if you consider the minimal places with level 12 foes and number of people that farm them, the chances are pretty dang low.
Yeah beside tengu farm there are really almost no spots left. There are few mobs/bosses around but that's huge time waste.
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I know, got many q8 through the years, still like to do it. But I'm hooked now to OS q3 shields farming lol.
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Do you believe these datas are fixed? What about rng factor? For instance I got 2 q8 shields from a mob in 15 minute time gap. Could not be fixed. If that's the case, then farming q8 is just time waste.
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Damn, could be there a way to get q7 drops again? For instance some forgoten quests etc? But I assume they removed it completely from the loot tables. But I wonder did they made some mob level like 10- 11 and 21-22 on purpose to reduce low req gold items drops (lvl 10-11) and reduce q8 drops lvl (21-22) etc. it cannot be that they did that on purpose. Maybe we got ****** by random chance. Cannot believe they diged that deep to prevent desirable low q gold items drop. Must be coincidence. I'm talking about propercies.
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I know, but I hoped someone found one somewhere. 😂
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Is it new drop or old ?
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Maybe keep it English so we all understand?
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Yes, necros do drop shield. But gl getting q8 and usable one from lvl 21 (if they drop).
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I wish you a 15 - 22
maybe the jackpot?
Where did it dropped?
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If we are gonna continue to play this game, we need something to do. Collecting is one of the things. And yes, everything is just on your mind, real world sometimes is just an illusion, what to say about any game then.
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That's a shame. Thx for answering.
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Is it possible to obtain q8 one from ingame these days? Except trade ofc.
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Good luck for this one, snowmen dunj only i guess ?
When i see Agent Chevy drop, i start to farm a bit for low reqs but all i drop yesterday is that :
But i don't have to complain i have the q5 set of darkwing
Where did these beauties of darkwings dropped?
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You doin solo farm with derv here?
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Why do you need that gate glitch?
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I would merch all except tonics.
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All in one run?
Yeah 1 pull. 20 mantids total. I learned the farm from Peter Kadar's tutorial on YouTube!
Didn't see something like this since they added loot scaling code lol. You somehow by passed anti farm code, or you didn't farmed them before.
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All in one run?
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Just Trylogy+eotn bundle and that's it. You are set to play without further expenses or ing purchases. That's all you need for full time experience.
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Been after one of these for a very long time
Oh also got this super cute shield a few days ago
Shield enjoyers rejoice!
Gz, where did it drooped?