Here are a few tidbits from the vaults, relevant to some recently-posted items.
Red Fireball : I dig your SWS; closest I have is this Illusion Tall. Your offhand with all the 20s is sweet as well - I only have one like it
As for shields, Crudes and Troll shields have come up lately - I think these examples speak for themselves
Enjoy
Kabong
125a on the r13 Magmas
Agree with all the above.
No such thing as a reliable PC for this. The basis for one just doesn't exist.
Nice bow.
In before /close.
I will slap myself on the wrist (or someplace else) for the non-PC post.
Kabong
121e so I can give it to Yuko.
I remember when The Herbalizer was the king of hammers. I remember when he left. I remember what he gave me. I remember what he kept. [PhD].
I choose not to get involved in stuff about the guild of which I have been an integral part for so many years. I appreciate the defense put up by Kromp and Max but generally find the attackers are best ignored and left to plink away on the walls of PhD with their spoons or toothpicks or whatever. Good God.
Just a few Ravens
All Necro Attributes in req 8 (Deathmagic in req 9 also, for this 10/10 ;))
With all due respect to myself, this is one of my favorite things that I've seen in quite some time. Congratulations.
And MaxBorken , nice shields. No matter how many times we may sit, stinking of scotch in a smoke-filled guild hall admiring ourselves, it just never gets old.
Sorry for double post but another subject i want to add here.
The lady doth protest too much...
Posts get long around here, I'll just make a few quick points.
Display MoreThe biggest scam are the ppl not giving price checks.
---> Ridiculous. There is no obligation to give PCs especially since, as discussed previously, in many cases there is no such thing as a reliable PC.
Lets face it, almost everyone does it sometimes "i dont Pc this item cus i want to buy it" what that often means is: The buyer knows hed be willing pay more then actual market price or the price checks given, and doesnt want seller know it so he gets advantage. Therefor scamming and manipulating prices lower then they should.---> I see this being said by honorable people who do not want to skew or hijack an auction in which they might become involved. I think you're off on this, too.
People should allways be given the highest possible value of the item. BY not giving that were part of market manipulating.---> More silliness. For example, there is a documented recent sale of R9 Tac Tribal Shield for 5a (Cleaning out entire storage account - lots of perfect mods and max inscribable q9 items)...but I have recently bought 19 of these shields in game for an average price of about 7e. Some people who I met in game with the shield claim 60e is a standard price for it. What's your PC? This highest possible one-off price? Most people would say 5a is crazy and giving that as a PC would be pretty irresponsible. Based on the documented history and your firmly-held philosophy this is exactly what you'd do. However, based on the preponderance of sales (NINETEEN in the last 2-3 weeks), I'd give about 10e as a PC (if I did such things) even tho it's not the "highest possible value". Your behavior in this regard is hurtful to the economy and the game.
Because when u collect someting, u want more of the same kind, if u give similar item u own high valuationg, means the next similar item also sells high or even higher, so ure shooting urself to foot, no profit is gain in any part of that cus u just end up paying alot more for next item for ur collection.
----> Ass backwards, again. By PCing high you are 1) increasing the value of your own collection and 2) reducing competition for the current item by "pricing" it out-of-range for many other potential buyers thereby increasing your chances of obtaining the item.
Currency naturally becomes more abundant and less valuable in the game over time, leading to inflation without your vigorous help. Please stop. Thx.
If i know i got friend who collects someting quirky and rarely plays gw but when he comes on it can be sold for loads, then it is worth loads to me, cus thats the highest possible value the seller can get for it. period.
Tl;dr: your PC's don't represent fair market value because you base them on one-off imaginary sales dreamt up through connections not shared amongst the general get population.
Thanks for making my point for me.
Period.
Red,
I love you and have been involved in this economy for a very very long time...but I couldn't make it through this post in one sitting. I took a few bites and will have to come back for more later.
Please understand that what I am about to write is based upon only a partial reading and my own involvent in the thread in question.
To me, a PC should represent fair market value of an item. For an item to have a fair market value, an item must have an established market. When an item is only desired by a very small numbers of players and there is no real history of sales there is no established market and therefore no PC is possible. The item will be sold for whatever is agreed upon between buyer and seller. Provision of a "PC" in this situation is bullcrap and using that forum to attribute excessive value to an item you own is worse.
For common items that are frequently traded, this information is reliable and useful. For other sorts of items, not so much.
This is not to say that ideas about value of rare or rarely-wanted items cannot be exchanged. Know what it was sold for once upon a time? Say so. Know someone who might want it? Provide that information so a difficult to find item might find appreciative hands. Want to arbitrarily assign a value using logic that doesn't hold water and the power of reputation? Save it and stop making a troubled economy even moreso.
Taken together, this is why I do not participate in the PC forum and uniformly refuse requests I get for such info. Most often PCs are just hot air.
Sorry for length but I think it's still a little briefer than Red😉
This is really interesting and useful Kabong. I may try your pressing enter technique. How many keyboards do you go through a week?
ive said too much already. The secrets of PhD must remain...
I use both hands to type what I want to buy or sell or both. Then I usually use my right hand to hit enter...but when things really get crazy in kamadan there's no telling what I might use to hit enter. And don't get me started on the up arrow...
1a dwarfhammer
Wot?
Crazy.
Merch +1gp.
Silly.
Enough with the inflation already.
Stop the madness.
/Retire undefeated from the PC game
Kabong
Edit
Sorry hGt it may or not be the way it is but it's not the way it should be. Imo, anyway. It's a blue turd that can't even be used as a caster weap. Maybe some collector has a spot for it somewhere in some collection only valued by its owner and maybe it's rare but that doesn't mean valuable. This is merch/bin fodder.
Thanks for the like, ariyen.
I hope it means you will consider my suggestion in the future.
Your subsequent post is a good example of one that may detract from the quality of the current thread but be more appropriate in a different "suggestion box" type thread designed for suggestions and discussions as described above.
Best,
Kabong (not a mod so I'll stop now)
So...
I'm not a moderator and I have no power here. Some people know me, some people don't.
I'm a guy who has played for a while and am more invested in this game than most.
And I have 2 more cents to plunk down.
It seems to me that no one here is completely right or completely wrong. Passions have been aroused and people have gotten excited. Lots of people have lots of important things to say about an important question. That's great, and it's because it means lots of people love this game. In that greatness, however, problems can arise when priorities aren't shared and people don't feel listened to. Ideas get trampled or ignored or shouted down.
I think it's best for everyone to take a step back and a deep breath and reconsider why this thread was started and what our respective purposes are for posting here. As a group and community we need to organize this energy in the most useful way possible.
Maybe what we need is not one place for all these different ideas and priorities. Maybe we need two, or three.
Maybe votes for or against an expansion and comments related directly to those votes belong here.
Maybe a different thread can be made for discussion of other matters or strategies related to a potential expansion that do not directly involve votes.
I am simply suggesting organization. This will make the material contained in these threads more practical for its purpose. It will make for freer discussion of different topics because others will not be trampled or pushed to the side. I am not suggesting editing, silencing, suppressing, delaying, deferring or censoring anyone's thoughts or ideas. This just too broad a conversation being addressed from too many angles to be contained in one thread at this point.
Like Mastinoo said, what is needed HERE is public acknowledgement, support and votes. I agree. Even if you vote against an expansion, that is still acknowledgement and votes. What we need ELSEWHERE is a different thread so that the discussions that have started and the ideas that have arisen in parallel with the original petition can be considered, explored and eventually incorporated into further efforts if this manages to get off the ground.
A lot of words for a simple, obvious idea that can help everyone interested in this topic and its various facets all exist in perfect harmony.
Ebony and Ivory.....
(That's Stevie Wonder in case you're too young. YouTube it.)
Thanks for reading. I'll be watching you. Please proceed with my best interests at heart 
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Kabong
10e on tribal shield
Just like the other 16 or so I've bought in game😂
Display MoreOK, so we have two things to consider here. Let me start with the easier one first.
To put it bluntly, a petition of this nature doesn't really mean Jack Squat. It doesn't matter if you have 1000 signatures at the end, or 10,000. It is nothing more than a bunch of names on a virtual piece of paper. Arenanet already knows there is keen interest from the dedicated GW1 playerbase for seeing new content in the game. They have known that for years. Nothing will be done unless it is approved and has the backing of NCSoft. I don't think I need to remind anyone that petitions (and a whole lot more) did nothing to save City of Heroes. Regardless, if we want to see hope of new content being produced for GW1, it is going to require convincing NCSoft that it is the profitable thing to do. Your best bet is to get in contact with them and find out exactly what it would take for them to provide the go ahead for ANet to dedicate time, manpower, money, and resources into developing new content for GW1. However, I don't think for a minute you would get your foot in the door without something to bring to the table aside from a petition with a bunch of names on it. Let me explain why.
Back during the turn of the Century, I was a manager at a bowling center that also had an attached bar and grille. We were planning a huge celebration for the New Year (2001 of course!). People could reserve packages that included bowling, food, and drink, and party the night away in style. However, during the planning stages, a lot of our regulars started in inquire about merchandise - hats in particular. They suggested we get hats made up for the event. Myself and the center owner considered the proposition and thought it might be a good thing to do since there seemed to be interest in it. However, that would require a big up front cost on our parts to get the hats produced. So I created a petition for people sign asking if they would be interested in purchasing one of these hats for a nominal cost (they would have been priced just above our cost to have them produced, so we wouldn't really be making a whole lot on the sale). We ended up with over 200 people signing the petition saying they would be interested in buying the hats if they were available. Now, again, since this would be a big out of pocket expense for us to get these things produced, we decided to do a trial run first, and only ordered a batch of 50 hats. If they sold well, we would get the rest of them produced. As it turns out, despite all those names committing to buying one of the hats, we sold a total whopping of 13. One of which I purchased for myself.
NCSoft won't give you the time of day if all you can bring to the table is a petition and a Guild Wars 1 fanboy smile. To have any hope of getting them the least bit interested in this project, it would require an investment group coming to the table with a good looking bank statement and a business plan for how this content is going to be produced, and the long term plans and goals for the team and the game. Maybe Stephen and Bill can help get the ball rolling on ANet's side of things and bring this petition and proposal to Mike O'Brien, who can then broach the subject with his NCSoft contacts, but I really don't see this getting anywhere with NCSoft without a big fat check to back it up.
Now remember, I said that was the easy part of this equation. The tough part is the creative aspect of the project. For that, let me highlight some things from your post above:
This is just me nitpicking, but I couldn't resist: this statement couldn't be further from the truth. There are myriads of examples where a follow-up product was vastly inferior to its predecessor. Heck most of us here think that with Guild Wars 2.
We're not talking about artistic style here. Of course we would want any new content to have a look unique to that content, but still be the familiar Guild Wars that we all know and love. Each of the three campaigns and expansion have that, so that's not the issue. The real issue here is one of design and mechanics.
We had new people coming to ANet with new ideas and talent from 2006 to 2012. What we got as a result of that is Guild Wars 2. Why would we not want new people to come in and work on the new GW1 content - that's your answer. It's true that we don't need one single person from the ANet of 2000-2006, but unless we get people who are going to hold true to the designs and ideas of that original team, what we will get will be no different (and perhaps no better) than what the team brought to us with Guild Wars 2.
I feel the same way about the Star Trek movie reboots and the latest installment of the Star Wars franchise. For me, the movies produced by JJ and Rian are absolutely terrible when compared to the core products that spawned them. Why? Because for me, they hold nothing of what made the originals great and spawned such a massive following. The Trek reboots and Last Jedi are nothing more than a generic sci-fi product with a famous IP attached to it. They may be entertaining movies in their own right, but they are soulless husks when it comes to the IP they are supposed to represent.
In all reality, we really are talking about a Picasso. or a Van Gogh, a Da Vinci, or a Monet, or a Rembrandt. Games are in all reality a work of art. As such, the enjoyment one receives from a game is going to be varied and a purely individual thing. There can be no doubt that the people I just mentioned are considered greats in the world of Art. But that doesn't mean that their artwork is universally liked or appreciated. Each individual person is going to have their own likes and dislikes regarding a work of art. Games are no different. For me Guild Wars 2 is not a bad game. It's pretty solid and a very good effort put forth from a talented developer. However, in the context of a Guild Wars game, it is nothing that I have any interest in playing whatsoever, and find the original a much superior and enjoyable product.
We will never see another original Picasso made. There can be some artist out there who can mimic Picasso's style and produce a lovely piece of art in its own right, but any fan of Picasso will always see it as a cheap knock-off that is inferior to any work produced by the original master. This is what many people here are talking about when there are hesitations made about having anyone on the current ANet team produce new content for our game, and even if we bring in yet more people, those fears can still be justified. Any new team may be able to reproduce the look and feel of the Guild Wars we all know and love, but at the end of the day, if it just turns out to be a soulless clone, what good is it?
This is not a distracting or generic comment, but it is the very core of the issue we are talking about. That's why this part is vastly more difficult to address than the financial one with NCSoft. Money and numbers are easy. Getting people to do right by Guild Wars 1 and us fans is going to be an infinitely more difficult process, and one that cannot be understated or underestimated.
As a certified PC technician, I can guarantee that there are a bunch of people at ANet that would jump at the chance to play around with the old code, just like I enjoy playing around with old PC's and Apple machines from the 80's and Operating Systems going all the way back to the DOS days. It's just plain fun to muck around with the classic stuff. That's not going to be the issue. Getting them, or someone new up to speed and really understanding what the code of GW1 is like and all the nuances and limitations in the code is going to be a time-consuming process. But at the end of the day, no matter how talented they are, or the talent of any new people that might be brought into the project, it doesn't mean Jack Squat if they don't understand what makes GW1 the Guild Wars we love.
Innocent bystander here, just trying to keep up with this thread and hopeful that it can lead somewhere.
I apologize if what I'm about to say is out of line but I'm an oldtimer and have loved this game as much and as long as anyone here.
Wouldn't it be better if responses were kept focused to the question posed in the petition?
Would you or would you not want an expansion?
I think all this voluminous talk about potential issues, barriers and matters of opinion is clouding and potentially obstructing the goal here.
Many of these concerns would have to be addressed by the appropriate team down the road.
Let's focus as a community on helping to determine if this is even a road that can be traveled.
I encourage everyone to answer the poll question as they see fit
If you answer is "yes" I encourage you to use your imagination to envision what an expansion could be and what barriers may arise...but to save those thoughts for the time and place that will hopefully come in the future where they can be addressed.
This time and place is for simple answers to simple questions.
Give your answer and (I hope) support.
All these other arguments, concerns, barriers, etc are not useful material at this time. At the least, they are distracting from the purpose of this petition. At the worst, they are counterproductive and hurtful to the outcome for which many of us hope.
Thanks for reading and considering my point. I do not want to argue or belabor it so will not be responding to questions or quotes in this regard.
Just my 2 cents. That's all you get.
Thanks
Kabong
I'm 100% all for Guild Wars 1 Expansions/Updates.
Good to see you on board, Reborn
I will encourage the members of my guild to look at this thread and consider the question it poses by making a guild announcement about it.
My guild, however, is small. Criteria for admission include being a living legend, demonstrating extraordinary character and potential for becoming one and the abilities to 1)craft a rocking chair from your preferred weapon 2) distill your own spirits from dragon tears and 3) roll your own cigars from parchment and iboga leaves.
If leaders of larger, more-inclusive guilds such as your own would take a similar small step it may help gather support more quickly.
Just a thought. A simple, quick, easy, potentially-effectice way to give and gather support.
Nice job, Iaerah 
Thank you
My answer is yes.
I would preorder an expansion in a heartbeat.
This game has captivated me for 14ish years. I will be there on the day the servers are turned off (NEVAR!) and I will be there the day pre-orders for a new expansion open.
I don't know where this current effort will lead but if you love this game as I do (or in whatever way you do), I ask you to consider the following:
We have a determined, motivated, resourceful member of our community looking for simple support in an attempt to breathe new life into our beloved game. Give it to him freely. Don't worry about specifics or potential problems or what matters of opinion might arise down the road. Help give the decision-makers the simple information they need to consider the question at hand seriously.
I clicked on "yes" because that's my answer to the title question. At the end of the day, it's that simple.
10e echovald 16
10e amber 8
"This month" 😆
What you have accomplished to this point is much more than a month's work for most.
I applaud your efficiency and skill in doing so much so quickly but admire most of all the manner in which you have done it.
Congratulations, my friend! I can't (and probably won't have to) wait for more updates!
Kabong
Alright so I guess I don't rly care about tribal shields. Focus on the hammers, people!
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What skin earth staff?
20e+1gp on it so it's a bid but you know.
5a golden maul
In before speed clear ele
Closed.
cosyfiep Please close. Thanks!
(simply putting closed in the title will get it closed---cosy)
Thanks, Max, for pointing that out. I can't tell you how many years it's been since I bought an earth staff. It's an old pile of sticks and some have been devalued the cheaters.
The history of the game is carried in its items. This thread and this forum as a whole help us document, preserve and protect that, even if it makes us look old and senile sometimes. Small price to pay. I can take it.
Mr S L A V E I have one of the (if not the) most obsessively-complete collections in GW and I applaud your efforts as well as PyroLobster (who is undertaking a similar endeavor). The scope of your plan is immense but I am sure with enough patience (and storage space) it will be done.
A couple of people have asked me to post the Earth Ele items I have accumulated over the years. I would never say I collect Earth stuff or even call this a side-project of any kind. Apologies if this doesn't measure up but I think you will find some cute things here. I enjoy them and I hope you will, too.
There are bigger, better actual ele collections (Hi, Expugnare ) out there and I, for one, would love to see that stuff posted here. After all, as my friend Woo points out, what's a staff but a hammer that's missing the big chunky bit at the end??
