Posts by Evelynn Roscoe

Thank you for all the replies

Recently there has been a change made to the reactions everybody can make to posts, a few have been replaced and a couple removed.

This is the current list:

I have seen a few people make comments about this change already but wanted to open it up for discussion. Do we like or not like this change?

Also we can make more so feel free to suggest new ones that can be added or anything else related to this.

Thank you Unholy, Absolutely fantastic work!

Hi Red,

Apologies for not already moving ur stunningly detailed research thread, have now done so.

Nobody important, relatively new to the team and ended up being a Librarian. Ideas and content mostly came from others (such as yourself), I'm just putting stuff together

Quote from Pleikki

Also depending how you put it, Broken toy, model toy and Whimsical Essence could be considered prenerf? Since new gray giant codes haven't been given in ages

I'd be hesitant to add this as somebody with an existing unused code could still add a new one to the game couldn't they? Good its been mentioned but I don't think it meets the stated definition of "Prenerf". Anybody else got an opinion on this?

Tattered Girls cape - Is this a quest item? First I've heard of it.

Quote from Oldschool Cool

Maybe the purple version of the -3/10% mod (not sure about this one I will let other comment on that)

-1 x% was on the original list (now Damage -1 chance X%) and I have found an example:

Quote from Pleikki

Hmm.. Also those white and blue darkwing / enameled shields missing

Could this be stated as "all non gold darkwing / enameled" or is there purples still?

@Oldschool Cool We love nitpicks

I'm thinking a thread should be made of what is possible for wands, focus and staffs currently in regards to profession related mods as a lookup resource. Then everything that doesn't conform to that list can be declared prenerf.

I saw @Ostona posted in "Does it exist" stuff about the HoD items. Between that, these additional quest reward changes you speak of and dv, dz, xx/-10, xx/-5 a "Blue" thread should absolutely be made. Well volunteered both of you

PS Ostona. If you are working on a article for Unconditional items for wiki please copy a version to a "Prenerf" thread as the info is a bit sparse and scattered around atm. I made a start on this, will pm you what I have.

Pleikki

That is fantastic stuff, thank you. Have updated list accordingly, will change the image soon.

Do you have (or could you make ) a list of the collector/weaponsmith/quest reward exceptions to the low dmg and no HSR mod staffs? Would be great to have that somewhere.

Anymore detail or examples of the collector/quest reward items that dropped wrong req? Need a little more specificity to add it really.

Well spotted on the purple serpent, not sure why it was on past lists or why I added to this one

Have made a start on this one but If anybody has a long memory that reaches back to when these dropped and has additional info like where & when or how they where used would love to add.

Possible skins:

1 - Aegis

2 - Crude

3 - Defender

4 - Ornate Buckler

5 - Reinforced Buckler

6 - Round Shield

7 - Shield of the Wing

8 - Skeleton Shield

9 - Skull Shield

10 - Tall Shield

11 - Tower Shield

12 - Wooden Buckler

13 - Magmas Shield

14 - Stone Summit Shield

15 - Summit Warlord Shield

16 - Eternal Shield

17 - Shadow Shield

Possible mods:

(In addition to the -2 stance that is always present)

Received physical damage:

-1 (while Enchanted)

-2 (while Enchanted)

-2 (while Hexed)

-3 (while Hexed)

-2 (chance 6-10%)

-3 (Chance 6-10%)

-4 (Chance 15-20%)

-5 (Chance 15-20%)

Examples of Golds:

Examples of purples:

Would be nice to catalogue all known or active dual reds so if you have one (or many) post them here. I'm sure some come with with a story

Research and discussion of items and how they drop is a large part of legacy so we have created a new place for it all to be kept. Everybody is welcome to start a thread either with their own content or start a discussion about a topic for people to give contributions.

There is 3 sections to separate different topics, more can be added later if required. If you are not sure where something should go put under "Research".

Many existing threads have been moved here.

There is a new Question & Answer section where enquires can be made about items and answered question will be archived for future reference.

All suggestions / feedback are welcome

Been long overdue that the "Truth about Prenerf" thread was revamped, so here it is. Have broken this down into 4 sections, see Weapons / Shield & Focus / Greens

Everything here is subject to change and additions. If you can see a mistake or notice something is missing please say so and it shall be changed. The goal here is to use community collective knowledge to get as close to the truth as possible.

An item is considered Pre-Nerf if it cannot drop anymore. In other words, the possibility of the game generating these stats or items has been physically removed by the coders at Anet, mainly 2005/2006 around the release of Factions. The only way to acquire Pre-Nerf items is through trading with other players.

Runes:

minus 50hp Major runes, all versions

Superior runes with Minor rune icon

Superior runes with Blue colour

Superior or Major runes which remain unsalvaged on a Blue and Purple armor/garb item

Major runes with wrong icon / blue colour (such as absorption, major vigor and recovery, clarity, purity and restoration)

Miscellaneous:

Any Mixed dyes

Dye remover

Vial of Dye with 25 gold value [currently 1g]

Bolt of silk with 30 gold value [currently 15g] (Could be similar for other materials)

Jade Wind Orbs

Naga Fangs

Zaishen Medallions

Brick of Mud

Clay Bricks

Olias's resignation letter

Tattered Girls cape

Winter Gifts

White Staff Wrapping

Customized Miniatures

Festival hats that are Rune/insignia-able

If anybody has screenshots of any of these items please post.

Been long overdue that the "Truth about Prenerf" thread was revamped, so here it is. Have broken this down into 4 sections, see Weapons / Greens / Runes & Miscellaneous

Everything here is subject to change and additions. If you can see a mistake or notice something is missing please say so and it shall be changed. The goal here is to use community collective knowledge to get as close to the truth as possible.

An item is considered Pre-Nerf if it cannot drop anymore. In other words, the possibility of the game generating these stats or items has been physically removed by the coders at Anet, mainly 2005/2006 around the release of Factions. The only way to acquire Pre-Nerf items is through trading with other players.

The following list is items / mods that are observably no longer in the game, not possible because of nerfed foe levels or a known update specifically removed them. It's possible this contains mistakes or is incomplete but it's the best of currently-known knowledge.

Shields

All Req 7 with 16 armor

All Dual Reduction (See full thread)

OS Gold/Purple Q8/16 Magmas

OS Gold/Purple Q8/16 Stone Summit

OS Gold/Purple Q8/16 Summit Warlord

OS Gold/Purple Q8/16 Eternal

OS Gold/Purple Q8/16 Shadow (Possible Shard Wolf exception)

OS Gold/Purple Q8/16 Zodiac

OS Gold/Purple Q8/16 Exalted Aegis

OS Gold/Purple Q8/16 Gloom

OS Gold/Purple Q8/16 Outcast

OS Gold Shadow Shields with vs giant, Charr, Tengu, Troll, skeleton, Dwarves & plants

Gold Shield Mods - (Any shield with one is considered Prenerf)

received physical damage -3(10%) mod. (including non-max versions)

-2/hexed mod

-1/enchanted or -1/stance mod

+40/(stance or enchanted) or lower

+6-8 armour vs damage type mod

+26hp or lower

non max -5(20%) mod Example: -4(19%) / -5(18%)

+55hp/hex or lower

+1attri/18% or lower

Purple Shield Mods

+19hp or lower

+29/(stance or enchanted) or lower

+44hp with hex or lower

+7 armor or lower vs damage type/creature

-1/hexed mod

-1/enchanted or -1/stance mod

Attribute +1/14% or lower

Damage -1 chance X%

Damage -3 chance X%

Damage -4 or -5 chance lower than 14%

Focus

All Req 7 with 12 energy

Gold Q8 Straw Effigy's

Grim Cesta with healing requirement

Any Gold/Purple/Blue OS Focus with mixed profession mod (HCT / HSR / +1 attribute). For example : 1/20% Fire on Jeweled chalice

Gold Focus Mods

18% or lower HSR/HCT

8% or lower HSR/HCT

+8armor or lower

+1attri/18 or lower

+26hp or lower

+40 stance/ench or lower

+55/hex or lower

Purple Focus Mods

+19hp or lower

+29/(stance or enchanted) or lower

+44hp with hex or lower

+7 armor or lower vs damage type/creature or while <50% or while hexed

14% or lower HSR/HCT

7% or lower global HSR/HCT

Attribute +1/14% or lower

Example of some Prenerf weapons:

(If anybody has screens shots of the missing ones please post and will update.

Been long overdue that the "Truth about Prenerf" thread was revamped, so here it is. Have broken this down into 4 sections, see Shields & Focus / Greens / Runes & Miscellaneous

Everything here is subject to change and additions. If you can see a mistake or notice something is missing please say so and it shall be changed. The goal here is to use community collective knowledge to get as close to the truth as possible.

An item is considered Pre-Nerf if it cannot drop anymore. In other words, the possibility of the game generating these stats or items has been physically removed by the coders at Anet, mainly 2005/2006 around the release of Factions. The only way to acquire Pre-Nerf items is through trading with other players.

The following list is items / mods that are observably no longer in the game, not possible because of nerfed foe levels or a known update specifically removed them. It's possible this contains mistakes or is incomplete but it's the best of currently-known knowledge

Prenerf Weapons:

All Q7 weapons with current max dmg

Q7 Swords with 14-21 dmg and higher

Q7 Axes above 6-25 dmg

Q7 Hammers above 18-32 dmg

Q7 Daggers above 7-15 dmg

Q7 Bows above 14-25 dmg

Q7 Wands above 11-20 dmg

Q7 Staffs above 11-20 dmg

Q8 Staffs with max (11-22) dmg

Q8 Axes with max (6-28) dmg

Q8 Hammers with max (19-35) dmg

Q8 Hammers with (18-35) dmg

Q8 Dagger with max (7-17) dmg

Q8 Bows with max (15-28) dmg

Q8 Bows with (14-28) dmg

Q8 Wands with max (11-22) dmg

All Q8 Zodiac swords

All Q8 Vertebreakers

Q8 OS Shadow blades - Anybody confirmed Shard wolf exception?

All unconditional items

Gold staffs with a requirement of 0

Staffs with a HSR mod in GOLD text

Staffs missing HSR Mod completely (Some exceptions still available from collector/quest rewards)

FACTIONS & Tyrian OS Staffs in restoration req

GOLD OS Crystalline Swords with an inherent mod

GOLD OS Dwarven Axes with an inherent mod

GOLD OS Dwarven Hammers

GOLD OS Krytan Axes

All Swamp Clubs

GOLD OS Serpent Axes in Tyrian Skin

OS Gold/Purple Fire Staffs in "Dead skin" (Other rarities still available from collectors)

OS Gold/Purple Water Staffs in "Dead skin" (Other rarities still available from collectors)

OS staffs with lower dmg than 4-6. Example: q0 2-4, 3-4, 3-5 (Some exceptions still available from collector/quest rewards)

The Henge of Denravi sword, Axe, Bow and Hammer (details to be added)

Blue/purple weapons with dual vamp / zeal mod

Blue/purple weapons with xx/-10 and xx/-5 mod

Items with an inherit mod instead of an inscription or 3 mods. (See Mausoleum / Triple mod research)

All Q8 Gold weapons with a gold value higher than 280g

All Purple inscribable Crystalline Swords

Any Gold/Purple/blue OS Wand with mixed profession mod (HCT / HSR) on a single profession skin. Mixed profession mod on multi-profession skin are NOT prenerf, this include : Amber Wand, Jade Wand, Platinium Wand, Jellyfish Wand, Koi Scepter, Plagueborn Scepter, Celestial Scepter, Wayward Wand, Zodiac Wand.

Any Gold/Purple/blue OS Staff with mixed profession mod (HCT/HSR) on a single profession skin. Mixed profession mod on multi-profession skin are NOT prenerf, this include : Ghostly staff, Shadow staff, Amber Staff, Jade Staff, Bo staff, Celestial Staff, Cockatrice Staff, Dragon Staff, Forbidden Staff, Outcast Staff, Plagueborn Staff, Platinum Staff, Zodiac Staff.

Inherent Gold Weapon mods:

+13%[condition] or lower

+18%[while Hexed] or lower

+18%[below 50%] or lower

Wands with 18% or lower HSR/HCT mod

Wands with +3 Energy

Wands with 8% or lower HSR/HCT

Wands with 13/-1 or lower

FACTIONS Wands with a restoration requirement

Inherent Purple Weapon mods:

+11 or 12%(condition)

+xx%/-5 energy, +xx%/-10 armour or +xx%/-1(energy or health) regen

11-14% While hex.

11-14% while below 50%.

Weapon Mods:

Sundering of 10/9% or lower (Except Sword)

Furious weapon mod 10/4 or lower

Any +25% damage vs Charr

Sword & Axe Vamp with 1-2/ -1

Hammer & Bow Vamp 1-3/-1

Example of some Prenerf weapons:

(If anybody has screenshots of the missing ones please post and I will update.