Posts by Evelynn Roscoe

    Hi Red,


    Apologies for not already moving ur stunningly detailed research thread, have now done so.


    Nobody important, relatively new to the team and ended up being a Librarian. Ideas and content mostly came from others (such as yourself), I'm just putting stuff together :)

    Also depending how you put it, Broken toy, model toy and Whimsical Essence could be considered prenerf? Since new gray giant codes haven't been given in ages

    I'd be hesitant to add this as somebody with an existing unused code could still add a new one to the game couldn't they? Good its been mentioned but I don't think it meets the stated definition of "Prenerf". Anybody else got an opinion on this?


    Tattered Girls cape - Is this a quest item? First I've heard of it.

    @Oldschool Cool We love nitpicks :)

    I'm thinking a thread should be made of what is possible for wands, focus and staffs currently in regards to profession related mods as a lookup resource. Then everything that doesn't conform to that list can be declared prenerf.


    I saw @Ostona posted in "Does it exist" stuff about the HoD items. Between that, these additional quest reward changes you speak of and dv, dz, xx/-10, xx/-5 a "Blue" thread should absolutely be made. Well volunteered both of you ;)


    PS Ostona. If you are working on a article for Unconditional items for wiki please copy a version to a "Prenerf" thread as the info is a bit sparse and scattered around atm. I made a start on this, will pm you what I have.

    Pleikki

    That is fantastic stuff, thank you. Have updated list accordingly, will change the image soon.

    Do you have (or could you make ;) ) a list of the collector/weaponsmith/quest reward exceptions to the low dmg and no HSR mod staffs? Would be great to have that somewhere.

    Anymore detail or examples of the collector/quest reward items that dropped wrong req? Need a little more specificity to add it really.

    Well spotted on the purple serpent, not sure why it was on past lists or why I added to this one ^^

    Have made a start on this one but If anybody has a long memory that reaches back to when these dropped and has additional info like where & when or how they where used would love to add.


    Possible skins:

    1 - Aegis

    2 - Crude

    3 - Defender

    4 - Ornate Buckler

    5 - Reinforced Buckler

    6 - Round Shield

    7 - Shield of the Wing

    8 - Skeleton Shield

    9 - Skull Shield

    10 - Tall Shield

    11 - Tower Shield

    12 - Wooden Buckler

    13 - Magmas Shield

    14 - Stone Summit Shield

    15 - Summit Warlord Shield

    16 - Eternal Shield

    17 - Shadow Shield


    Possible mods:

    (In addition to the -2 stance that is always present)


    Received physical damage:

    -1 (while Enchanted)

    -2 (while Enchanted)

    -2 (while Hexed)

    -3 (while Hexed)

    -2 (chance 6-10%)

    -3 (Chance 6-10%)

    -4 (Chance 15-20%)

    -5 (Chance 15-20%)


    Examples of Golds:


    Examples of purples:


    Would be nice to catalogue all known or active dual reds so if you have one (or many) post them here. I'm sure some come with with a story ;)

    Research and discussion of items and how they drop is a large part of legacy so we have created a new place for it all to be kept. Everybody is welcome to start a thread either with their own content or start a discussion about a topic for people to give contributions.


    There is 3 sections to separate different topics, more can be added later if required. If you are not sure where something should go put under "Research".


    Many existing threads have been moved here.


    There is a new Question & Answer section where enquires can be made about items and answered question will be archived for future reference.


    All suggestions / feedback are welcome :)

    Been long overdue that the "Truth about Prenerf" thread was revamped, so here it is. Have broken this down into 4 sections, see Weapons / Shield & Focus / Greens


    Everything here is subject to change and additions. If you can see a mistake or notice something is missing please say so and it shall be changed. The goal here is to use community collective knowledge to get as close to the truth as possible.


    An item is considered Pre-Nerf if it cannot drop anymore. In other words, the possibility of the game generating these stats or items has been physically removed by the coders at Anet, mainly 2005/2006 around the release of Factions. The only way to acquire Pre-Nerf items is through trading with other players.


    Runes:

    minus 50hp Major runes, all versions

    Superior runes with Minor rune icon

    Superior runes with Blue colour

    Superior or Major runes which remain unsalvaged on a Blue and Purple armor/garb item

    Major runes with wrong icon / blue colour (such as absorption, major vigor and recovery, clarity, purity and restoration)


    Miscellaneous:

    Any Mixed dyes

    Dye remover

    Vial of Dye with 25 gold value [currently 1g]

    Bolt of silk with 30 gold value [currently 15g] (Could be similar for other materials)

    Jade Wind Orbs

    Naga Fangs

    Zaishen Medallions

    Brick of Mud

    Clay Bricks

    Olias's resignation letter

    Tattered Girls cape

    Winter Gifts

    White Staff Wrapping

    Customized Miniatures

    Festival hats that are Rune/insignia-able




    If anybody has screenshots of any of these items please post.

    Been long overdue that the "Truth about Prenerf" thread was revamped, so here it is. Have broken this down into 4 sections, see Weapons / Greens / Runes & Miscellaneous


    Everything here is subject to change and additions. If you can see a mistake or notice something is missing please say so and it shall be changed. The goal here is to use community collective knowledge to get as close to the truth as possible.


    An item is considered Pre-Nerf if it cannot drop anymore. In other words, the possibility of the game generating these stats or items has been physically removed by the coders at Anet, mainly 2005/2006 around the release of Factions. The only way to acquire Pre-Nerf items is through trading with other players.


    The following list is items / mods that are observably no longer in the game, not possible because of nerfed foe levels or a known update specifically removed them. It's possible this contains mistakes or is incomplete but it's the best of currently-known knowledge.


    Shields

    All Req 7 with 16 armor

    All Dual Reduction (See full thread)

    OS Gold/Purple Q8/16 Magmas

    OS Gold/Purple Q8/16 Stone Summit

    OS Gold/Purple Q8/16 Summit Warlord

    OS Gold/Purple Q8/16 Eternal

    OS Gold/Purple Q8/16 Shadow (Possible Shard Wolf exception)

    OS Gold/Purple Q8/16 Zodiac

    OS Gold/Purple Q8/16 Exalted Aegis

    OS Gold/Purple Q8/16 Gloom

    OS Gold/Purple Q8/16 Outcast

    OS Gold Shadow Shields with vs giant, Charr, Tengu, Troll, skeleton, Dwarves & plants


    Gold Shield Mods - (Any shield with one is considered Prenerf)

    received physical damage -3(10%) mod. (including non-max versions)

    -2/hexed mod

    -1/enchanted or -1/stance mod

    +40/(stance or enchanted) or lower

    +6-8 armour vs damage type mod

    +26hp or lower

    non max -5(20%) mod Example: -4(19%) / -5(18%)

    +55hp/hex or lower

    +1attri/18% or lower


    Purple Shield Mods

    +19hp or lower

    +29/(stance or enchanted) or lower

    +44hp with hex or lower

    +7 armor or lower vs damage type/creature

    -1/hexed mod

    -1/enchanted or -1/stance mod

    Attribute +1/14% or lower

    Damage -1 chance X%

    Damage -3 chance X%

    Damage -4 or -5 chance lower than 14%


    Focus

    All Req 7 with 12 energy

    Gold Q8 Straw Effigy's

    Grim Cesta with healing requirement

    Any Gold/Purple/Blue OS Focus with mixed profession mod (HCT / HSR / +1 attribute). For example : 1/20% Fire on Jeweled chalice


    Gold Focus Mods

    18% or lower HSR/HCT

    8% or lower HSR/HCT

    +8armor or lower

    +1attri/18 or lower

    +26hp or lower

    +40 stance/ench or lower

    +55/hex or lower


    Purple Focus Mods

    +19hp or lower

    +29/(stance or enchanted) or lower

    +44hp with hex or lower

    +7 armor or lower vs damage type/creature or while <50% or while hexed

    14% or lower HSR/HCT

    7% or lower global HSR/HCT

    Attribute +1/14% or lower


    Example of some Prenerf weapons:

    (If anybody has screens shots of the missing ones please post and will update.

    Been long overdue that the "Truth about Prenerf" thread was revamped, so here it is. Have broken this down into 4 sections, see Shields & Focus / Greens / Runes & Miscellaneous


    Everything here is subject to change and additions. If you can see a mistake or notice something is missing please say so and it shall be changed. The goal here is to use community collective knowledge to get as close to the truth as possible.


    An item is considered Pre-Nerf if it cannot drop anymore. In other words, the possibility of the game generating these stats or items has been physically removed by the coders at Anet, mainly 2005/2006 around the release of Factions. The only way to acquire Pre-Nerf items is through trading with other players.


    The following list is items / mods that are observably no longer in the game, not possible because of nerfed foe levels or a known update specifically removed them. It's possible this contains mistakes or is incomplete but it's the best of currently-known knowledge


    Prenerf Weapons:


    All Q7 weapons with current max dmg


    Q7 Swords above 14-21 dmg

    Q7 Axes above 6-25 dmg

    Q7 Hammers above 18-32 dmg

    Q7 Daggers above 7-15 dmg

    Q7 Bows above 14-25 dmg

    Q7 Wands above 11-20 dmg

    Q7 Staffs above 11-20 dmg


    Q8 Staffs with max (11-22) dmg

    Q8 Axes with max (6-28) dmg

    Q8 Hammers with max (19-35) dmg

    Q8 Hammers with (18-35) dmg

    Q8 Dagger with max (7-17) dmg

    Q8 Bows with max (15-28) dmg

    Q8 Bows with (14-28) dmg

    Q8 Wands with max (11-22) dmg


    All Q8 Zodiac swords

    All Q8 Vertebreakers

    Q8 OS Shadow blades - Anybody confirmed Shard wolf exception?


    All unconditional items

    Gold staffs with a requirement of 0

    Staffs with a HSR mod in GOLD text

    Staffs missing HSR Mod completely (Some exceptions still available from collector/quest rewards)

    FACTIONS & Tyrian OS Staffs in restoration req

    GOLD OS Crystalline Swords with an inherent mod

    GOLD OS Dwarven Axes with an inherent mod

    GOLD OS Dwarven Hammers

    GOLD OS Krytan Axes

    All Swamp Clubs

    GOLD OS Serpent Axes in Tyrian Skin

    OS Gold/Purple Fire Staffs in "Dead skin" (Other rarities still available from collectors)

    OS Gold/Purple Water Staffs in "Dead skin" (Other rarities still available from collectors)

    OS staffs with lower dmg than 4-6. Example: q0 2-4, 3-4, 3-5 (Some exceptions still available from collector/quest rewards)

    The Henge of Denravi sword, Axe, Bow and Hammer (details to be added)

    Blue/purple weapons with dual vamp / zeal mod

    Blue/purple weapons with xx/-10 and xx/-5 mod

    Items with an inherit mod instead of an inscription or 3 mods. (See Mausoleum / Triple mod research)

    All Q8 Gold weapons with a gold value higher than 280g

    All Purple inscribable Crystalline Swords


    Any Gold/Purple/blue OS Wand with mixed profession mod (HCT / HSR) on a single profession skin. Mixed profession mod on multi-profession skin are NOT prenerf, this include : Amber Wand, Jade Wand, Platinium Wand, Jellyfish Wand, Koi Scepter, Plagueborn Scepter, Celestial Scepter, Wayward Wand, Zodiac Wand.


    Any Gold/Purple/blue OS Staff with mixed profession mod (HCT/HSR) on a single profession skin. Mixed profession mod on multi-profession skin are NOT prenerf, this include : Ghostly staff, Shadow staff, Amber Staff, Jade Staff, Bo staff, Celestial Staff, Cockatrice Staff, Dragon Staff, Forbidden Staff, Outcast Staff, Plagueborn Staff, Platinum Staff, Zodiac Staff.


    Inherent Gold Weapon mods:

    +13%[condition] or lower

    +18%[while Hexed] or lower

    +18%[below 50%] or lower

    Wands with 18% or lower HSR/HCT mod

    Wands with +3 Energy

    Wands with 8% or lower HSR/HCT

    Wands with 13/-1 or lower

    FACTIONS Wands with a restoration requirement


    Inherent Purple Weapon mods:

    +11 or 12%(condition)

    +xx%/-5 energy, +xx%/-10 armour or +xx%/-1(energy or health) regen

    11-14% While hex.

    11-14% while below 50%.


    Weapon Mods:

    Sundering of 10/9% or lower (Except Sword)

    Furious weapon mod 10/4 or lower

    Any +25% damage vs Charr

    Sword & Axe Vamp with 1-2/ -1

    Hammer & Bow Vamp 1-3/-1



    Example of some Prenerf weapons:

    (If anybody has screenshots of the missing ones please post and I will update.