• In an effort to expand upon the ever-growing knowledge base surrounding "pre-nerfs," I have put together this list with what is currently known about pre-nerf green (unique) weapons. Please see these other threads for their respective pre-nerf information: Weapons, Shield & Focus, Runes & Miscellaneous. The original thread on this topic, which showcases the initial discussion and some of the earlier findings, can be found here.


    "Pre-nerf," by and large, refers to anything produced in-game before the release of Nightfall and that is also not able to be produced currently or since. There are exceptions and slight variations, of course, and these will be outlined in their respective threads.


    As far as pre-nerfs go, green pre-nerfs are a relatively new discovery. Because of that, this list is still very much a work in progress and future updates and/or changes to what is believed to be true can and should be expected to happen. As with other pre-nerf threads, if you can provide proof of something not currently documented here (or proof against something that is), please feel free to contribute.


    There are hundreds of different green weapons in the game. I'll start by narrowing it down:

    • Prophecies greens (with the exception of Deldrimor Talisman & War In Kryta greens) are all eligible to have a pre-nerf version.
    • Factions greens (with the exception of most Amulet of the Mists greens & most Winds Of Change greens) are eligible to have a pre-nerf version.
    • No Nightfall pre-nerf greens are currently known or believed to exist.
    • No Eye of the North pre-nerf greens are currently known or believed to exist.


    Most non-green pre-nerf weapons have a single identifier: their stats.

    Because green weapons always come with a pre-set "package," they have a few more things to take into consideration:

    • Stats
    • Mod Order
    • Color

    A change in any of these is enough to be pre-nerf. Some greens may only have a change in one, while others show a change in all three.

    In addition, some greens may also show different differences for the same item. Yes, you read that right.


    While most greens will only have two versions (the pre-nerf and the current/post-nerf), some greens are known or believed to have three versions. This is because there were multiple updates that changed these items at different times (whether this was intentional or more of an unintended byproduct is unknown). For a green weapon to have three versions, it's currently believed that it must:

    1. Show some kind of mod order change between the versions
    2. AND
    3. Show some kind of color change between the versions

    Because of this, only some green staves from Factions (and Kepkhet's Refuge) are currently thought to have three versions, but other examples may exist.

    A breakdown of the differences would look like this:

    1. Current/post-nerf version: Current stats, mod order, and colors. Able to be dropped in-game still.
    2. "Original"/pre-nerf/2nd version: These green items will have both a different color and a different mod order when compared to their current/post-nerf counterpart. These dropped from the time of their release until about a month or two before Nightfall.
    3. Pre-nerf/3rd version: These green items will have the same color as their current counterpart, but the same mod order as the original pre-nerf. These dropped for the last month or two before the release of Nightfall.

    A few confirmed examples of all 3 can be found in the list below.



    The following is the list of greens currently known to have at least one pre-nerf version confirmed in-game. Please keep in mind that this list is incomplete. Additional entries will be added as they are discovered and confirmed. Imagery for many of them is still a work-in-progress and will be completed/updated soon.


    CONFIRMED: 128 (43 Prophecies, 85 Factions)



    NAMEDESCRIPTIONIMAGE
    PropheciesPropheciesProphecies
    qlaXjXM.pngOgre-Slaying KnifeColor change (weapon)9zxXqwZ.png
    qlaXjXM.pngVicto's MaulColor change (weapon)RW6al81.png
    yHhyznH.pngN/AN/A
    Sg1p0r6.pngKepkhet's RefugeColor change (weapon) &
    Mod order change (three
    versions exist
    )
    XLdPpnh.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngWenslauss' FaithMod order changesjjn7w4.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngBrohn's StaffMod order changecH5oDrI.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngGardock's StaffColor change (weapon)XnFYX88.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngThe YakslapperColor change (weapon)CYEagrX.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngWroth's Holy RodColor change (weapon) &
    completely different stats
    wQ3fBql.pngXjjzhIe.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngBrohn's Holy RodColor change (weapon)xdVuRXm.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngThe StonehartColor change (weapon)KiPp4qe.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngThe SoulstoneColor change (weapon)ds0Gm4a.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngWenslauss' ChaliceColor change (weapon)kHK5hUo.png
    5XcLO26.pngMilius' PillarMod order changeK5gRXi6.png
    5XcLO26.pngRunar's Brimstone StaffColor change (weapon)m8y1v50.png
    5XcLO26.pngFlint's FleshcleaverColor change (weapon)mJO68FD.png
    5XcLO26.pngGaligord's RodColor change (weapon)B7wpBnW.png
    5XcLO26.pngBrimstone WandColor change (weapon)QXvyIXO.png
    5XcLO26.pngRago's Flame WandColor change (weapon)Qk1GkYj.png
    5XcLO26.pngGaligord's Stone ScrollColor change (weapon)7zpUxtJ.png
    5XcLO26.pngThe BrimstoneColor change (weapon)PP91fks.png
    5XcLO26.pngFlint's ArtifactColor change (weapon)0hDGzm3.png
    5XcLO26.pngThe KindlerockColor change (weapon)HbTr9Ug.png
    fP3X67J.pngKole's TormentMod order changelxGvZei.png
    fP3X67J.pngFleshweaverColor change (weapon)z7lF55K.png
    fP3X67J.pngBortak's Bone StaffColor change (weapon)nkj2lbZ.png
    fP3X67J.pngGordac's NeedleColor change (weapon)uD4uBBZ.png
    fP3X67J.pngThe ShadestoneColor change (weapon)XDZjMWd.png
    fP3X67J.pngBortak's Bone CestaColor change (weapon)bL8Jz4y.png
    fP3X67J.pngKole's GauntletColor change (weapon)HELq8Sb.png
    fP3X67J.pngFrozen FanColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    DN1l8ko.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngIllyana's StaffMod order changewM1M6np.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngGorrel's StaffMod order changeJQpQvR2.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngVokur's StaffColor change (weapon)fn6lVE6.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngHandsmasherColor change (weapon)7ml48rV.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngWillcrusherMod order changekwE2WjV.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngGorrel's CaneColor change (weapon)iW2s6SI.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngVokur's CaneColor change (weapon)kDeQOaq.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngForgotten FanColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    EgR7EqJ.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngIllyana's MirrorColor change (weapon)NAy1Qqd.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngKorvald's ChakramColor change (weapon)rxdI2Xm.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngGarbok's ChaliceColor change (weapon)ZOnHQDe.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngVokur's ChakramColor change (weapon)YLpNVCb.png
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Factions
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Factions
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Factions
    vfPb7jI.pngFaithDifferent stats (the prenerf is missing a mod)ovPK7en.png
    qlaXjXM.pngKai's SwordColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    hTRh3Ah.png
    qlaXjXM.pngSskai's SwordColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    otZBKdh.png
    qlaXjXM.pngRajazan's FervorColor change (weapon & icon)mrsPYth.png
    qlaXjXM.pngVeraColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    ucBksn3.png
    qlaXjXM.pngThe StonebreakerColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    ywGLyFa.png
    qlaXjXM.pngThe Ugly StickColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    h5dk8GT.png
    qlaXjXM.pngKanaxai's MalletColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    jV724qC.png
    qlaXjXM.pngWing's AxeColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    scS53Ak.png
    qlaXjXM.pngIronclawColor change (weapon)Gdr5KAm.png
    qlaXjXM.pngStrongroot's ShelterColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    kFljAw7.png
    qlaXjXM.pngTarnen's ShieldColor change (weapon)mJbzqPR.png
    qlaXjXM.pngMerki's GazeColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    2UijMXN.png
    qlaXjXM.pngBaubao's ShellColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    x0cH9UT.png
    qlaXjXM.pngJacqui's AegisColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    JJ07ajF.png
    yHhyznH.pngRazortongue's Recurve BowColor change (weapon)CBrrPeU.png
    yHhyznH.pngSwiftscale's ShortbowColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    qYBZ6Bg.png
    yHhyznH.pngNundak's Recurve BowColor change (weapon)pyJBMHI.png
    yHhyznH.pngRyver's ShortbowColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    mp672XW.png
    yHhyznH.pngChkkr's FlatbowColor change (weapon & icon)k50dDWF.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngZiinjuu's SanctuaryCompletely different statsiqrtd49.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngKaolin Protection StaffColor change (weapon &
    icon) & mod order change
    ULnVzeV.png
    nE78jh8.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngJayne's StaffColor change (weapon &
    icon) & mod order change
    d1BWMVp.pngQi36viH.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngStoneweaverColor change (weapon &
    icon) & mod order change
    66ppPvD.pngQ7tf7ZV.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngScourgewind's BranchColor change (weapon &
    icon) & mod order change
    YaBjj17.png39aumP7.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngThe Scar EaterColor change (weapon)GwE2p8O.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngHukhrah's StaffColor change (weapon) &
    mod order change
    sZEHIKW.pngpS67Rye.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngZiinfaun's BeliefColor change (weapon)YFuu6tz.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngWayward Wand (Divine/Prot)Different stats & dmg type0NYbL19.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngWayward Wand (Divine/Heal)Different Stats & dmg typewC93a5z.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngByzzr's BenedictionColor change (weapon)D05Mg9D.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngIncetol's FocusColor change (weapon)93nWDFM.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngKy's ChaliceColor change (weapon)JM0cgNO.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngShen's CensureColor change (weapon)OwShavI.png
    5XcLO26.pngKaolin Water StaffColor change (weapon &
    icon) & mod order change
    Ud50oQu.pngsvTH19B.png
    5XcLO26.pngKoosun's Fire StaffColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    VFJjAmZ.png
    5XcLO26.pngSeacrash's InfluenceColor change (weapon)XPpGPZo.png
    5XcLO26.pngShatterstoneColor change (weapon & icon)czx0gFT.png
    5XcLO26.pngZarnas' WrathColor change (weapon & icon)g4255DJ.png
    5XcLO26.pngLian's LanternColor change (weapon)iCaIO5y.png
    5XcLO26.pngSnapjaw's PowerstoneColor change (weapon)PiGmKip.png
    5XcLO26.pngTarlok's FlagonColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    fdCS5ec.png
    fP3X67J.pngMilthuran's StaffColor change (weapon &
    icon) & mod order change
    (three versions exist)
    4iaKMp3.png
    fP3X67J.pngKyril's FervorColor change (weapon &
    icon) & mod order change
    8H0jeue.pngSPEg37G.png
    fP3X67J.pngKaolin Accursed StaffColor change (weapon & icon) & mod order change
    (three versions exist)
    MwILAVF.png
    fP3X67J.pngThe StonereaperColor change (weapon &
    icon) & mod order change
    (three versions exist)
    VqIIqr9.png
    fP3X67J.pngGhial's StaffColor change (weapon) & mod order change
    (three versions exist)
    uIcEBwP.png
    fP3X67J.pngWoe SpreaderColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    0n8exPb.png
    fP3X67J.pngBazzr's WailColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    cB0AWzC.png
    fP3X67J.pngRot's PutrescenceColor change (weapon)TBgOgaY.png
    fP3X67J.pngSourbeak's TaintColor change (weapon)ccPKP6T.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngKaolin Domination StaffColor change (weapon &
    icon) & mod order change
    Zp9RTft.pngoWEU09u.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngKenrii's SorrowColor change (weapon &
    icon) & mod order change
    (three versions exist)
    IyjMKLC.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngSiska's StaffColor change (weapon & icon) & mod order changeLzVfDeH.pngbKQyaVj.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngTalous' StaffColor change (weapon & icon) & mod order changekuZUq1S.pngmgaZrSD.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngMilefaun's StaffMod order changej4apmMc.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngWingstormColor change (weapon)XJ9NlH2.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngWayward Wand (Dom/Insp)Different statsBZcWE6F.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngThe Time EaterColor change (weapon)ZtlMcKE.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngMohby's ArtifactColor change (weapon)UzGNxNg.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngThe PurifierColor change (weapon)rK5T7Wj.png
    TdzVh4Y.pngTahkayun's PincersColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    LF40isQ.png
    TdzVh4Y.pngChkkr's PincersColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    5hsCzaC.png
    TdzVh4Y.pngShreader's TalonsColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    6UN86Ju.png
    TdzVh4Y.pngDaggers of XuekaoColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    M9D18P5.png
    TdzVh4Y.pngKenshi's Butterfly DaggersColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    TVsUo5c.png
    TdzVh4Y.pngKaolin DaggersColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    OZCUZus.png
    TdzVh4Y.pngEverthorn's ChakramsColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    fuj4hbw.png
    TdzVh4Y.pngFalaharn's Split ChakramsColor change (weapon & icon)zokZ83m.png
    fhHzWma.pngRitual Lord's StaffColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    LyVsYZB.png
    fhHzWma.pngSpiritgarden's ReposeColor change (weapon & icon) & mod order change
    (three versions exist)
    SmarjhT.png
    fhHzWma.pngOrosen's StaffColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    6aFHGvp.png
    fhHzWma.pngSsyn's StaffColor change (weapon & icon)Z2Llqq4.png
    fhHzWma.pngMossbeard's WandColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    4D25KbW.png
    fhHzWma.pngWayward Wand (Spawn/Resto)Different statsMLw4OjJ.png
    fhHzWma.pngKaolin WandColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    teAQT9E.png
    fhHzWma.pngVengeance SeekerColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    hxwPTon.png
    fhHzWma.pngSoulwhisper's GuardianColor change (weapon & icon)TGtgCIo.png
    fhHzWma.pngThe Pain EaterColor change (weapon &
    icon)
    LjLJvFl.png




    This list is for potential pre-nerfs (those believed to have a pre-nerf version but have not yet been confirmed in-game).


    Potential: 64 (1 Prophecies, 63 Factions)

    NameDescriptionImage
    PropheciesPropheciesProphecies
    qlaXjXM.png(None thought to remain. See next list below.)
    yHhyznH.png(None thought to
    remain. See next list below.)
    Sg1p0r6.pngIvor's StaffColor change (weapon)?Old screenshot, thought to be prenerf.
    Zp7F2Xw.jpg
    5XcLO26.png(None thought to remain. See next list below.)
    fP3X67J.png(None thought to remain. See next list below.)

    ygHbZVQ.png(None thought to
    remain. See next list below.)
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Factions
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Factions
    ~~~
    Factions
    qlaXjXM.pngQuivering BladeColor change (weapon & icon)?Prenerf not as black?
    qYyG6l1.png
    qlaXjXM.pngKaolin BladeColor change (weapon & icon)?
    qlaXjXM.pngRazorfin's AxeColor change (weapon & icon)?
    qlaXjXM.pngSentasi's Jade HammerColor change (weapon & icon)?
    qlaXjXM.pngArrahhsh's AegisColor change (weapon & icon)?
    yHhyznH.pngBrrne's Recurve BowColor change (weapon & icon)?Postnerf a darker red? Similar to red color change in The Pain Eater.
    AfoewNB.png
    yHhyznH.pngChehbaba's LongbowColor change (weapon & icon)?
    yHhyznH.pngInallay's HornbowColor change (weapon & icon)?
    yHhyznH.pngKaolin LongbowColor change (weapon & icon)?
    yHhyznH.pngLorelle's LongbowColor change (weapon & icon)?Prenerf not as black?
    iefrXRb.png
    yHhyznH.pngMeynsang's LongbowColor change (weapon & icon)?
    yHhyznH.pngNandet's Recurve BowColor change (weapon & icon)?
    yHhyznH.pngRazorjaw's HornbowColor change (weapon & icon)?
    yHhyznH.pngUrgoz's FlatbowColor change (weapon & icon)?Prenerf not as black?
    Xbf4fBI.png
    yHhyznH.pngUrgoz's ShortbowColor change (weapon)?
    Sg1p0r6.pngSsuns' Staff (2nd & 3rd)Color change (weapon & icon)?
    Mod order change?
    Three versions are thought to exist.
    Sg1p0r6.pngKaolin Protection Staff (3rd)3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version
    already confirmed.
    Sg1p0r6.pngJayne's Staff (3rd)3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version
    already confirmed.
    Sg1p0r6.pngStoneweaver (3rd)3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version
    already confirmed.
    Sg1p0r6.pngScourgewind's Branch (3rd)3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version
    already confirmed.
    Sg1p0r6.pngHukhrah's Staff (3rd)3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version
    already confirmed.
    Sg1p0r6.pngMungri's FlameColor change (weapon & icon)?
    5XcLO26.pngSanhan's StaffCompletely different stats? (Similar to
    Ziinjuu's Sanctuary
    )
    Photoshopped image of what the prenerf is thought to look like.
    PClFD6t.png
    5XcLO26.pngAmadis' Air StaffColor change (weapon & icon)?
    5XcLO26.pngArbor's Earth Staff (2nd & 3rd)Color change (weapon & icon)?
    Mod order change?
    Three versions are thought to exist.
    Lighter color than current. But all Arbor prenerfs would have +1 on bottom anyway.
    fpf40ra.png
    5XcLO26.pngKunvie's Air Staff (2nd & 3rd)Color change (weapon & icon)?
    Mod order change?
    Three versions are thought to exist.
    5XcLO26.pngKaolin Water Staff (3rd)3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version
    already confirmed.
    5XcLO26.pngBahnba's ScepterColor change (weapon & icon)?
    5XcLO26.pngThe StonebreakerColor change (weapon & icon)?
    5XcLO26.pngBizzr's FuryColor change (weapon)?Old screenshot, thought to be prenerf.
    wpyWLhI.jpg
    fP3X67J.pngThe DarkwishColor change (weapon)?
    fP3X67J.pngKaswa's Gluttony (2nd & 3rd)Color change (weapon & icon)?
    Mod order change?
    Three versions are thought to exist.
    Comparison using original uploaded image on German wiki (before it got wiped, RIP). Yet to be confirmed in game.
    kCkTPYK.png
    fP3X67J.pngKyril's Fervor (3rd)3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version
    already confirmed.
    fP3X67J.pngChan's GreedColor change (weapon & icon)?
    fP3X67J.pngKkraz's IndulgenceColor change (weapon & icon)?
    fP3X67J.pngFoulfist's FocusColor change (weapon & icon)?Brighter color on prenerf? Similar to confirmed Tarlok's Flagon.
    bH3B2YH.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngKaolin Domination Staff (3rd)3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version
    already confirmed.
    ygHbZVQ.pngSiska's Staff (3rd)Mod order change. 3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version already confirmed.
    ygHbZVQ.pngSwiftspell's StaffMod order change?
    ygHbZVQ.pngTalous' Staff (3rd)Mod order change. 3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version already confirmed.
    ygHbZVQ.pngThe Dream HaunterColor change (weapon & icon)?
    ygHbZVQ.pngMina's GazeColor change (weapon & icon)?
    ygHbZVQ.pngPhi's WisdomColor change (weapon & icon)?
    ygHbZVQ.pngWayward Wand (Illu/Insp)Different stats
    ygHbZVQ.pngDeeproot's SorrowColor change (weapon & icon)?
    ygHbZVQ.pngHanaku's FocusColor change (weapon)?Prenerf not as black?
    klKBk1C.png
    TdzVh4Y.pngArius' SaiColor change (weapon & icon)?
    Mod order change? (Based on an
    old screenshot. This would be the
    only non-staff with a mod order change
    if confirmed.
    )
    Original image pulled from German wiki before it got wiped. Yet to be confirmed in game.
    0VQbENO.png
    Lighter silver on prenerf?
    cZZc90M.png
    TdzVh4Y.pngOnata's ShardsColor change (weapon & icon)?
    TdzVh4Y.pngShrouded Oni DaggersColor change (weapon & icon)?
    TdzVh4Y.pngSsaresh's Kris DaggersColor change (weapon & icon)?
    TdzVh4Y.pngRazorfang's ClawsColor change (weapon & icon)?
    TdzVh4Y.pngUrkal's KamasColor change (weapon & icon)?Prenerf not as black?
    1dpMb8W.png
    fhHzWma.pngBazzr's StaffColor change (weapon & icon)?
    fhHzWma.pngBrightclawColor change (weapon & icon)?
    fhHzWma.pngSpiritspeakerColor change (weapon & icon)?
    fhHzWma.pngCho's ViceColor change (weapon & icon)?Brighter color on prenerf? Similar to confirmed Tarlok's Flagon.
    MPU5upq.png
    fhHzWma.pngThe Skill EaterColor change (weapon & icon)?
    fhHzWma.pngSpiriteaterColor change (weapon & icon)?
    fhHzWma.pngSseer's WishColor change (weapon & icon)?



    This third chart lists all the remaining Prophecies & Factions greens which are thought to not have a pre-nerf version.

    My reasoning for this, along with Oldschool Cool 's explanation for staves, is given here.






    Until proven otherwise, these do not/should not have a pre-nerf version:

    ProfessionWeapon TypeName
    PropheciesPropheciesProphecies
    WarriorSwordGrognar's Blade
    SwordGrognar's Sword
    SwordVicto's Blade
    HammerBludgeoner
    HammerThe Ice Breaker
    HammerMalinon's Malign Hammer
    HammerMalinon's Skull Crusher
    HammerThorgall's Stone Smasher
    AxeRazorstone
    AxeTanzit's Cleaver
    AxeTotem Axe
    AxeVicto's Battle Axe
    ShieldGrognar's Defender
    ShieldMalinon's Shield
    ShieldTanzit's Defender
    ShieldThorgall's Shield
    ShieldVicto's Bulwark
    RangerBowBoulderbeard's Shortbow
    BowDrago's Flatbow
    BowDrago's Vampiric Flatbow
    BowElswyth's Longbow
    BowElswyth's Recurve Bow
    BowForgerunner
    BowGargash's Recurve Bow
    BowGraygore's Shortbow
    BowGraygore's Zealous Shortbow
    BowRotwing Recurve Bow
    BowStinger
    BowStoneherder's Flatbow
    BowTarnok's Longbow
    BowTarnok's Recurve Bow
    BowThornbeard's Horned Bow
    MonkWandGordac's Holy Rod
    WandIvor's Smiting Rod
    FocusIvor's Icon
    FocusWroth's Icon
    ElementalistStaffGaligord's Stone Staff
    StaffRago's Flame Staff
    WandFlint's Wand
    FocusMilius' Eye
    NecromancerStaffMorgriff's Staff
    StaffVillnar's Staff
    WandMorgriff's Scepter
    WandVillnar's Claw
    FocusGordac's Hook Blood
    FocusVillnar's Glove
    MesmerWandGarbok's Cane
    WandKorvald's Cane
    FocusThe Rockmolder
    ~~~~~~~~~
    Factions
    ~~~~~~~~~~
    Factions
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Factions
    MultipleWandWayward Wand - all except:
    -Domination/Inspiration
    -Illusion/Inspiration
    -Divine/Healing
    -Divine/Protection
    -Spawning/Restoration
    FocusStraw Effigy (all)
    -unless someone can provide
    proof of one with mixed attributes
    WarriorSwordKanaxai's Edge
    SwordShiro's Sword
    HammerGavel of the Nephilim
    HammerHanjuu's Bludgeoner (low-level)
    AxeDragoncrest Axe
    AxeKanaxai's Axe
    AxeCho Wei's Axe (low-level)
    ShieldExalted Aegis (Strength & Tactics)
    ShieldGeoffer's Bulwark
    ShieldReefclaw's Refuge
    RangerBowIronwing Flatbow
    BowIronwing Longbow
    BowUrgoz's Longbow
    BowAhvha's Longbow (low-level)
    BowJin's Hornbow (low-level)
    MonkWandStormray
    FocusMiella's Focus
    FocusRien's Sacrifice
    FocusFeng's Focus (low-level)
    ElementalistWandWhyk's Wand
    WandAuri's Wand (low-level)
    FocusChung's Focus
    FocusThe Windcatcher
    NecromancerWandThe Deathkeeper (low-level)
    WandYingko's Claw (low-level)
    FocusKonrru's Fervor
    FocusPlaguebinder
    MesmerStaffSulmeng's Staff (low-level)
    WandBaozo's Wand (low-level)
    AssassinDaggerCeremonial Daggers
    DaggerDarkroot's Daggers
    DaggerLou's Karambits
    DaggerShiro's Blades
    DaggerUngues of the Oni
    DaggerPei's Blades (low-level)
    RitualistStaffMiki's Staff (low-level)
    StaffTin Dao's Staff (low-level)

    FocusQuansong's Focus
    FocusTattered Fan



    Greens with documented retroactive changes.

    NameInformationImage
    ygHbZVQ.pngThe RockmolderOriginally featured a universal 20% recharge mod.
    This was the only focus in the game to offer such a benefit.
    All existing Rockmolders were changed.
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    TdzVh4Y.pngShiro's BladesOriginally required 15 Dagger Mastery.
    All were changed to 13.
    Image needed
    qlaXjXM.pngShiro's SwordOriginally required 15 Swordsmanship.
    All were changed to 13.
    Image needed
    yHhyznH.pngStygian Recurve BowOriginally functioned as a Longbow.
    All were changed to function as a Recurve Bow.
    Image needed
    Sg1p0r6.pngFervorborn StaffWas originally misspelled as "Ferverborn Staff."
    All were corrected to Fervorborn Staff.
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    5XcLO26.pngIceblood's WarstaffOriginally featured a single HCT Water 40% mod.
    All were corrected to have two 20% HCT Water mods instead.
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    fhHzWma.pngPhoenix's RetributionOriginally missed what is the equivalent of its inscription.
    All were corrected to include it.
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    xniFAKL.pngHassin's Shell
    Originally had 10 armor with no requirement.
    All were updated to give 8 armor and +20 health instead.
    Image needed
    xniFAKL.pngImperial Dragon SpearOriginally came with four mods.
    All were updated to remove the extra +30hp.
    Image needed
    vfPb7jI.pngWar in Kryta greensAll WiK greens were able to be modded at release.
    This was corrected and all were returned to their proper stats.
    Xj7DpGM.jpg
    Various iconsA few images of greens with colored icons have been found.
    These colored icons aren't possible today (greens or not).
    We think these were retroactively changed.
    A few examples can be seen here:
    - Ogre-Slaying Knife
    - Flint's Artifact
    - An old bank tab showing what seems to be:
    -- Galigord's Rod (prenerf)
    -- Gorrel's Cane (prenerf)
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    9voEWal.jpg
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  • Almost all images have been updated to the newer format & higher quality. They should all be clickable now too.

    Went through and corrected the counts for confirmed and potential greens. Also fixed some images that had the wrong item shown...


    Added 10 new items to the list!

    1. Wenslauss' Chalice -- All Tombs greens (that should have a prenerf) are now confirmed!
    2. Kaolin Accursed Staff (2nd version) -- All 3 Kaolin Accurseds are now confirmed.
    3. Spiritgarden's Repose (2nd version) -- All 3 Spiritgarden's are now confirmed.
    4. Ghial's Staff (3rd version) -- All 3 Ghial's now confirmed.
    5. Kenrii's Sorrow (3rd version) -- All 3 Kenrii's now confirmed.
    6. Talous' Staff (2nd version)
    7. Zarnas' Wrath -- One of the very few greens that had a specific mention about a color change on its wiki page long ago. Finally confirmed after all this time.
    8. Ssyn's Staff
    9. Siska's Staff (2nd version) -- Color swap on this one seems to match the color swap on Ssyn's Staff. Confirming the old screenshot we found for the stat swap.
    10. Snapjaw's Powerstone -- All three storm artifact pre-nerfs are now confirmed! Colors here match those of The Brimstone (pre & post).


    There should be just 5 left to go for Prophecies and a lot left still for Factions. The remaining confirmed items with "TBA" still are ones I've personally confirmed in-game, but are either customized or not mine. Will work on getting images for them.


    Thanks, lads <3

  • Added 3 new confirmations to the list:

    • Fleshweaver (necro staff, prophecies): prenerf color matches the proposed (in the original research thread) prenerf color found in an old screenshot. Stats, order and icons are all identical.
    • Gardock's Staff (monk staff, prophecies): prenerf color matches the proposed (in the original research thread) prenerf color found in an old screenshot. Stats, order and icons are all identical.

    (Pretty sure we're down to just 3 remaining prophecies prenerfs!)

    • Ironclaw (axe, factions): This one was a big surprise. I had originally listed it as "this done not have a prenerf until proven otherwise." Only the little stylized red lines on the blade change color. The prenerf Ironclaw matches the colors on any basic gothic axe, but the postnerf Ironclaw has slightly darker lines. I thiiink this is the first instance of an undyeable martial having this sort of change? It seems to match The Yakslapper's sort of one-off weirdness. (The base skin for The Yakslapper, "Sacred Staff", I think matches that of the prenerf version, and the postnerf seems to have the differing color.)
      • Will try to get a better picture at some point, or just replicate with a regular gothic. The prenerf I confirmed was customized (sad react). The icons for the two are identical as far as I can tell.
      • I'm still pretty confident that most, if not all, remaining items listed as "not having a prenerf" won't actually have a prenerf. What I can prob do is run through them again and check postnerf versions vs. base skins. If others *don't* match (like Ironclaw/Gothic Axe), then there may be a chance.


    I still need to get around to some general thread cleanup and uploading some kind of image for the other confirmed TBAs from earlier. Hopefully that will help with finding some uncustomized versions.


    M u c h T h a n k & E n j o y

  • No brand new confirmations with this update, but I've added images for the following 9 greens previously marked TBA.

    1. Kaolin Protection Staff (2nd version) (monk staff, factions)- added image of color and mod changes now that I have one.
    2. Rago's Flame Wand (ele wand, prophecies) - very noticeable color difference. icon/stats are identical
    3. Kanaxai's Mallet (hammer, factions) - slight color difference in weapon and icon (most noticeable in the "silver" top of the hammer in the icon vs the darker "black" top in the icon of the postnerf. stats are the same.
    4. Swiftscale's Shortbow (factions) - very slight color difference in the green wraps. difference more noticeable in the prenerf icon. stats identical
    5. Nundak's Recurve Bow (factions) - slight difference in the red handle of the bow. stats/icon identical
    6. Ryver's Shortbow (factions) - very slight color difference in the entire bow, more noticeable in the prenerf icon (lighter/whiter in color).
    7. The Purifier (mez focus, factions) - color change in the weapon itself. stats/icons identical
    8. Everthorn's Chakrams (factions) - unfortunately no image of the weapon for now, but very noticeable difference in the icons.
    9. Vengeance Seeker (rit wand, factions) - color change in weapon/icon. prenerf is a brighter blue in both. stats identical.


    Items 2-9 are owned by and/or customized to their respective owners. Thanks to them for either providing screenshots (swiftscale/nundak) or loaning them to me temporarily (rago's flame wand). The rest are the best I can do with quick screenshots I've taken in the past, but hopefully that will help some extras of them turn up.


    Keep a lookout. Thanks <3

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  • Happy to confirm that a prenerf "Faith" does exist. We thought so, but until now hadn't seen proof in-game. For whatever reason, the update that corrected the Imperial Dragon Spear and Phoenix's Retribution didn't correct these. Interesting to note that this is the only known prenerf added to the game after NF.


    Polished the thread a bit more.

    • Added some suspected prenerf images of a few unconfirmed greens.
    • Also transferred over the list for known retroactively changed greens from the original discussion thread
    • Transferred Oldschool Cool's explanation and examples for staff mod order changes to this thread. I combined that with my explanation, and added a few additional examples in the spoiler above the "no prenerf" list.

    If anyone has an image for any of the retroactive greens before they were changed, or knows of other examples, please share! Will add a few extra notes for some of these soon (like patch note dates, etc).


    See below for Faith proof. The stat comparison has been added to the main list. No color change on this one, just an addition of the missing mod.

    nKeKw1d.png



    Thanks!

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  • Great job all around, the thread is now really E.X.H.A.U.S.T.I.VE.


    I think it's finally time that I change the original thread to redirect here and ask a mod to lock it down. (But not fully delete it in case people want to see the discussion and research).


    I'm also really sad to see the german wiki (https://www.guildwiki.de/wiki/) seems to be definitively down, even if I don't speak the language it was a great source of historical informations. Which remind us that in life or on the internet nothing last forever.

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  • A few more info that are still missing from the original thread :


    * The Old-icons : We were able to find some old picture that show green items using a totally different icon than the current one. Those icon were similar to the gold items using the same skin, our theory is they were temporary icon that got updated and are no longer in game.


    vBxaik6.jpg


    16162-green-flint-artifact-icon-jpg

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  • Also here are some more old picture showing the original color of the items in the potential category. All those picture are from some french fan-sites and were published in 2005/2006. I will publish them here in case the original site goes down.


    Ivor Staff


    The Kindlerock


    For the faction greens you can check this other website : http://gwguide.free.fr/armes_vertes_factions.php . Around 95% of the picture are prenerf (it's easy to spot on the staves that still have the 20% local HSR), but a few here and there are post nerf.
    I don't have a full collection of green item to compare it with, but i'm sure you could extract a few of them to illustrate the Potential Prenerf category.

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  • Quote from Unholy

    There is an old screenshot of the Bludgeoner hammer with a different mod order than the current one. However, this screenshot features the outdated 10/10 Sundering mod. Just before Factions, item drop tables were improved to offer higher quality mods. We also have an image from this time period of Gordac's Needle (which had a +3 energy mod and a different mod order) AND a proven Gordac's Needle pre-nerf currently. The pre-nerf has a +5 energy mod, and the same mod order as the current Needle. From this we can conclude that this particular update was retroactive in nature -- affecting all previously-created greens.


    I feel that the geens that were changed during 15 June 2006 update deserve a bit more of attention :



    26th April 2006 update :


    "Upgraded Sundering weapon components to provide a maximum Armor Penetration of +20% (Chance: 20%)."



    15th June 2006 update


    "Updates over the past several months have improved a number of weapons and armors; these updates applied only to newly generated items, not to items already in player inventories. This update applies past improvements to the following inventory items: Victo's Battle Axe, Drago's Flatbow, Stoneherder's Flatbow, Tarnok's Recurve Bow, the Bludgeoner, Flint's Wand, Korvald's Cane, Ivor's Smiting Rod, Brimstone Wand, Gordac's Needle, Bortak's Bone Claw".



    Looking at some old pictures (taken in 2005/early 2006) we can see that Victo's Battle Axe, Drago's Flatbow, Stoneherder's Flatbow and Tarnok's Recurve Bow got their penetration mod updated but nothing else was changed. Those can safely be included in the "Greens with documented retroactive changes" category because it's extremely unlikely that any of them had been forgotten.


    The other green listed show some different pattern :


    Bludgeoner

    In the Original Bludgeoner the penetration was the very last mod, while in the current one the penetration is written just below the 15 wE.


    Gordac's Needle

    The new one is using a different mod order.


    Bortak's Bone Claw

    The new one has an energy+5e mod but the mod order is the same


    Korvald's Cane

    The new one has an energy+5e mod but the mod order is the same


    Ivor 's Smiting Wand

    The new one has an energy+5e mod but the mod order is the same


    Brimstone's wand

    The new one has an energy+5e mod but the mod order is the same


    Flint's wand

    The new one has an energy+5e mod but the mod order is the same


    As you can see the only 2 anomalies are Gordac's Needle and the Bludgeoner and it's still unclear if those green dropped before the April-2006 update and affected by the June-2006 update kept their original mod order or were changed to the regular mod order.


    We have been able to find an old Gordac's Needle with a prenerf color. Our understanding is that the color updated happened some times before Nightfall release, most likely between May and September 2006. It's possible that this old Godarc's Needle was dropped Post-April 2006 but Pre-Color update.


    In conclusion : Prenerf Gordarc's Needle or Bludgeoner with a different mod order might exist. The only way to disprove it would be to find someone who 100% remember dropping those item before April 2006.

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  • Several updates to the thread today.

    • Added confirmation of The Kindlerock thanks to a very generous donation from Kalvorn (along with a prenerf Rago's Wand!)
    • Added confirmation of Chkkr's Flatbow and an updated image of Ironclaw.
    • Added Foulfist's Focus to the potentials list (it was somehow missing until now...)
    • Corrected the counts on total confirmed and potential greens.
    • Added colored icons to the retroactive changes list (some we have found that don't have colored icons today)

    For the potentials list I've thrown together several comparison images using screenshots found on some of the old fan sites linked by Oldschool Cool (thanks!) Most aren't very good quality, but I added the ones I thought showed a noticeable difference (might need to click on the bow images...). Hopefully this will help some of them show up. None of these are confirmed yet, but there's a better idea of what to look for now.


    - Ivor's Staff

    - Brrne's Recurve Bow

    - Lorelle's Longbow

    - Urgoz's Flatbow

    - Urkal's Kamas

    - Arius' Sai

    - Quivering Blade

    - Foulfist's Focus

    - Cho's Vice

    - Seacrash's Influence

    - Arbor's Earth Staff

    - Hanaku's Focus


    Thanks <3

  • I've got an old Ky's Chalice that I think looks lighter than the screenshot on the wiki. Does anyone have a known-post-nerf one I can borrow to make a screenshot pair?


    Also, would it be possible for whoever did the Scar Eater screenshots to do another set? There's so much bloom I cannot see any difference in the staves.


    [Edit: I've also got a Soulwhisper's Guardian of indeterminate age that might maybe be a different shade than the wiki screenshot. It's hard to tell. Does anyone have a known-post-nerf one to compare it to?]

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  • I've got an old Ky's Chalice that I think looks lighter than the screenshot on the wiki. Does anyone have a known-post-nerf one I can borrow to make a screenshot pair?


    Also, would it be possible for whoever did the Scar Eater screenshots to do another set? There's so much bloom I cannot see any difference in the staves.


    [Edit: I've also got a Soulwhisper's Guardian of indeterminate age that might maybe be a different shade than the wiki screenshot. It's hard to tell. Does anyone have a known-post-nerf one to compare it to?]

    Hey, thanks for the questions! I have a full collection of post-nerfs for reference, and all "confirmed" screenshots are done by me. For almost all of them, I try to have the weapon facing the sun to show as much color/detail as possible. Because of this, some white/silver ones are extra saturated. I can maybe throw another comparison together real quick, but the differences between the two staves will still be quite minimal. I always bring a post-nerf with me to check someone's scar eater.


    Happy to help check for Ky's, Soulwhisper's and whatever else. IGN is Vengeful Was Unholy

    IGN: Vengeful Was Unholy

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  • Quick little update thanks to Chthon and a few redditors coming in clutch.


    Added the following confirmations to the list:

    • Bortak's Bone Staff
    • Ky's Chalice
    • Shatterstone
    • Mohby's Artifact
    • Soulwhisper's Guardian

    Also added a better image for The Purifier.


    In theory there's just one Prophecies pre-nerf left to be found: Ivor's Staff. If you have one, get in touch and let's check it out! A supposed pre-nerf image is shown for it's entry in the "potential" list.


    The Factions list is slowly being chipped away at.


    As always, thanks for the help. (Shoutout to the 50+ guests this thread had yesterday from reddit) <3


    Edit: Also corrected an error that said the icons for Ghial's Staff changed between versions. Icons are identical. It's only the staff itself that changes color.

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