Posts by Iaerah

Quote from ardunain

Captain Krompdown even if they wouldnt dissapear imo there are ways of making some kind of limitation as I said there have been examples that are way too obvious to not know they re botted threads and the acceptance of bot data by our members is just sad. Also I Know that PhD is against buying currency for Dollars, can you explain me why you guys are fine with getting more items into collection from botters? Whats fun and nostalgic about that?

There re forums for botters and legacy wasnt one of them till now. We could aswell just allow posting bot files here if you and moderators Iaerah dont see a way of doing something about that.

What I would do is just simply take notes, you delete post when see flaming and you could delete threads that are known to be botted. I mean what else you need to know if same account posts bot data and then same items that drop from current chestrun are later on auction?

Legacy is still not a forums for botters - we won't allow discussion about anything concerning bots, how to make them and how to run them. Or just anything about bots, really.

When something is about bots itself, it will be banned before you can say the word "Quidditch".

What is a problem is how do you police things that are gained from botting, but for which you have no solid proof that it has been botted. Just suspecting that something was botted isn't enough, even if 1+1 equals 2, it still could be that (some) items were gained in a legal way. However, we're looking into what we should do in those cases. It ain't easy.

Whenever you start policing, you usually have some evidence behind you and the ability to verify those things. That's kinda impossible for us and hard to avoid.

If we crack down on it harder, people might simply use an alternative account to sell the items, or to post the data. And they could just drop it in smaller packets, over different accounts (while we do track IP's, IP's alone are totally not enough to ban someone. Banning 1 IP could block an entire country - Pokémon GO once banned 2 IP's from a Belgian ISP and all of the customers of that ISP were unable to play Pokémon GO. Blame carrier grade NAT).

For now, we are deciding what to do when it is very clear that there has been botted and what to do when it is certain beyond reasonable doubt.

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The problem is the known part. Unless they verbatim say here are my botted items for sale we can't definitively know they are botted.

It is also a situation of false positives and framing people. Then the amount of moderation work is another problem.

Hypothetical Example: I say Yoji bots and there are some potential flags. He says he doesn't and you agree with Yoji.

In this case do we ban Yoji? What about if you were the person in question?

My personal opinion is you are free to buy/sell to anyone or not for any reason per current rules. I keep a personal blacklist and also use statistical data to measure the value of a trade.

So some players I won't trade with on here.

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Perhaps a public blacklist is something which we need to do. It's being discussed.

It's far too easy to state that someone is a cheater, and we want to avoid that at all costs.

Quote from Praise

The only way to be unsure about whether the items sold by Purely/Autism Awareness Is Back/Ether were botted is by burying your head in the sand (which is what I did in nov/dec). That's what the legacy team chooses to do by requiring evidence but not having the means to gather or assess it. Which is what I would do, too, if I were a moderator; things get messy and it will be too much work to sort them out. This has advantages as well, such as giving users more freedom to determine the forum's contents.

Regarding forum contents, it seems to me that this place is now just for trading with loose morals. At the same time, recently there is no longer any interest in threads/discussions about actual gameplay. There's very little that interests me, and very little that I contribute that interests anyone. This thread was helpful for me to determine whether there was a chance of things changing in the future, so thanks to Dadan for starting it.

Quote from ardunain

Exactly this Praise. Most of us dont care that bots are in game, we all are aware of that . We do care that They shamelessly can auction hundreds of items Here, ruining values of most items that regular players get.

Edit. We became fine with data collecting by bots instead of doing research Like it used to be in threads made for example by Red Fireball. This forum changes in the way That Dadan mentioned and Thats issue for some of us.

Quote from Dadan

First things first, I took most of the names from Ether posts (could be his chest-running data post or his WTS). As for the others, that was a bit random. Nevertheless, you do not have to participate, and I apologise for those who didn’t want to be mentioned. That was overall to get as many opinions as possible.

Back to the topic, thanks for the constructive answers received.

By putting them for sale on GuildWars’ biggest community website, botters are making it worst. Spamming, showing and selling 500+ items in Kamadan would surely take some time, thus reducing their impact on the market. I don’t think they would do it anyway.

Accessing the Legacy market and saving that time by only putting an extracted table (from their bots) is a gold mine for them.

I my opinion, I would simply suggest what other people already suggested:

Ban the obvious ones and let the benefit of the doubt for the others.

To the moderators:

Now you know people's mind, the time has come to take a decision and to stand for one side or the other.

I thank you in advance not to answer “No Legacy rules are broken so no action necessary.”.

That would mean either some rules need to be changed or you do not want to do anything.

To let it go is standing on the botters’ side.

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I'll turn the question around: what do you want us to do? It's a slippery slope and it is extremely hard for us to prove something - do I personally think people should be allowed to bot and sell their items here? No, I absolutely do not think they should be.

In fact, people who bot should be banned in the game and in that way we are in quite a unique position - Guild Wars is still popular and active, nowhere near what it used to be, but it is still online. But banning has always been slow in Guild Wars and it feels like it has crawled to a stop nowadays.

Usually, these issues should be handled by the one running the game, not a fan run forum. We lack tools to police things and while we can take action on Legacy, we can't stop things from happening - if we block something, it might just turn up again with a different name/seller.

So what can we do with this, of for this? To be honest, that has been a question that I have been wondering myself for many weeks. We are discussing this internally, we have been following this thread quite well, but most people by now know that I usually keep away from moderation. In my opinion, it is more healthy for a platform when the owner of the platform isn't involved with moderation itself (so that you can remain fully neutral should you need to intervene).

For the moment, our stance has been that we aren't the police of Guild Wars. That role should be filled by ArenaNet - but it is clear that they haven't been fullfilling this role as it should be. So perhaps that policy needs tweaking, but I don't know how far we need to go (and can go) with this.

Do we put a notice on things that we received messages that the user is suspected to be botting? Do we block the account from posting in certain area's on Legacy? Because that will probably lead to them just going for a new account to get around that.

If we ban those users, they will certainly just create a new one so that is not a solution on its own. It won't solve anything, except raise the Legacy user count further.

So this is more complicated than I would prefer it to be. We're talking internally and that it the most I can currently say about it. What I can say is that a rule rework is in progress (has been for a while), but that seems to be progressing nicely now.

So, my question for you guys is: how would you handle this were you in our place? Knowing that bans aren't as effective as you would wish them to be, having to at least have some proof from botting and in what way we could limit/display that.

It's a though nut to crack.

- Kev

Hello everybody,

I'm excited to finally announce that Guild Wars Legacy will be getting support for the sale of physical Guild Wars items!

That's right - now, you will not only be able to sell your in-game items, but you will also be able to 3D-print any weapon/shield/item in the game and get it shipped to you!

In a constant attempt to improve Guild Wars Legacy, we have been investigating what our users truly want: more clutter in their lives. As our questionnaires clearly made clear: users want more stuff and they want it now.

Collectors are always at the look-out for the best stuff, in the best materials. That is why we are partnering up with ArenaNet directly to get access to the true in-game models and offer these items in the best quality!

Whilst this service is still in the start-up phase, we are excited to announce several unique features:

• Support for dyes, based on the in-game system. You can combine up to 4 dyes to get the result you want.
• Printing is done by high-quality printers, in the material of your choice (by default, we will use AF)
• Shipping happens with the utmost care and as much detail as possible is given to the packing materials
• The print will be hand painted.

Completing your collection never feels complete without having a full replica of your weapons, so get started with it now!

The website will launch later today at midnight. The first 10 orders get a free mini-statue of Master Togo, for the questionnaire stated that he is the most universally loved character in the entire game.

Should you have any questions, we'll be glad to answer them!

- The Guild Wars Legacy Team

I've cleaned it up a bit here, keep it a bit on topic guys

As we say in Dutch, speel op de bal, niet de man.
Attack the words, not the person who said them.

This thread has gone a bit off the rails, we have received reports and messages and have cleaned up this conversation (note: I generally do not moderate and I have not moderated in this thread either).

Actions were taken by our moderators and they have my approval.

Be nice to each other, respect each other and don't attack on another in a thread.

If things go of the rail again, I'll close this thread.

- Kev

Update: the server move is now complete.

Please let me know if you find any issues on the site.

- Kev

Hello everybody,

Guild Wars Legacy will be undergoing a server move and will be offline for up to 2 hours on the 6th of March.

This will happen between 10:00 and 12:00 CET (https://time.is/en/CET).

I will update the status on our status page which you can find on https://status.guildwarslegacy.com) - this will be online during the server move.

After the server move, it is important to inform me of any bugs you might encounter, since some software is being replaced which might have an impact.

Greetings,

Kevin

Let's keep this on topic, shall we. No more politics.

Quote from ardunain

The Giveaway/scam/sell threads were run on this forum and both parties said that these items were botted and people involved in this had public fight but Only one side got banned. The way actions were taken show sided intentions.

The ban given was given due to breaking Legacy rules, nothing else. Should the other side have broken the rules, they would have been given the ban as well.

I actually looked up the ban logs to verify that and the ban was only given due to breaking our rules.

That also was a temp ban, not a permanent one. In the automated mail that is sent out after a ban, it clearly states the procedure to fight your ban/to appeal the ban.

Nothing was received.

I also want to stress the following:

We have discussed this internally quite a bit, since we do not take decisions about this lightly. In order to combat these things, we need to change rules and decided how we want to handle things like this in the future. And that's still ongoing.

But at that moment, our rules didn't catch this and thus we had to act on the rules that were in place and that is what we have done.

I've said it before, but it is hard to police things. In this case, both parties might have said this, but we have to be careful about setting a precedent.

So, we are on this, it'll take some more time.

Quote from Flint Lightning

seeing my post was deleted I'll say it again just slightly more polite.

Yes Horrible Liberals but it's running the country while Ruining it for others. get it right.

There's no pleasing everybody... do something good for 1 group, another one gets left out.

Quote from Flint Lightning

no you aren't but just like liberals you silence us when calling scammers out. that in itself is Just as bad. you are covering up for them. you know i'm right.

I think our reasoning has been explained quite well so I won't expand on that here.

We can only police actions taken on Guild Wars Legacy and we will police based on the rules of Legacy.

Bringing politics/liberals in with that is just ridiculous. It has nothing to do with that.

We are still discussing on starting a list of known scammers, but this is something that we don't take lightly.

I'm necroing this a bit, but if you want to have your username changed, you can always contact me

We have been made aware of accusations concerning the moderation on Guild Wars Legacy, that we would support item scammers.

It should speak for itself that as players and members of the Guild Wars community we do not support item scamming and item scammers. Nor should anyone else.

Guild Wars Legacy is NOT the Guild Wars Police - we are not able to police anything related to the game itself, only what happens on the Guild Wars Legacy Forum and within the Guild Wars Legacy Rules.

What Guild Wars Legacy does is provides a platform for you, the community, to use for Guild Wars related activity - you can post your collections here, buy/sell things and so many others. This platform is moderated by us, according to our Forum Rules that are clearly laid out on https://guildwarslegacy.com/rules/.

We can only moderate based on what is occurring on our platform.

The topic of scams/scammers has created a lot of discussion on our team chat and we have been discussing how to handle this and similar things in the future.

However, this isn't quite as simple as it seems: if Guild Wars Legacy needs to have an area where known scammers can be listed this would lead to the question: what is enough proof of being a scammer?

These aren't easy questions to answer, especially since Guild Wars Legacy does not have a way to verify things in-game. Screenshots and images can be forged. We want to avoid a hostile environment filled with drama.

At present Guild Wars Legacy simply does not allow anything like this but some discussions are ongoing.

To conclude:

Breaking Guild Wars Legacy Rules will result in actions taken on Guild Wars Legacy.

• We're not the Guild Wars police.
• We only can take action on Guild Wars Legacy and will hand out punishments based upon that.

If you have questions about the choices made by us, you can always mail us on [email protected] or to me personally on [email protected] - I'm always available for questions (though my responses can take a few days).

- Kevin and the Guild Wars Legacy Team

Best advice I can give you: use a unique password on every website.

I advice you to use Bitwarden - https://bitwarden.com

It is free and open source, and it works like a charm.

Hey there,

I have been checking several things - when you get put on a blacklist, which tells you that the site has been hacked in the browser, the webmaster will get notified - since we use Google's Search Console, I should have received such an email.

I did however not receive any mails and upon double checking in the Google Search Console I couldn't find any messages.

I went on to check on the server, but couldn't find anything odd going on - I have, however, gone ahead and ran an extra malware check on the source code of Guild Wars Legacy.

This took over an hour, so sorry for the late reply - it came back with no hits.

I haven't got any signs that show that Legacy would have been hacked - and even if it had been hacked, the passwords on the website have been encrypted quite well (strong one-way hash with unique salt per user).

Should you have any further questions, feel free to let me know and I'll look into it.

- Kev

Botting does harm the game, in the long term. Because you devaluate everything, things will become worthless.

We're at that point now, where things are spiralling out of control, due to botting.

Yes, there might be a new speedclear community now thanks to that, but that doesn't change the fact that it is out of control.

In real life, we'd call this hyperinflation and that's a very harmful thing. Same for the game.

If anything, the bots need to be handled, the economy cleared up and we need some new money sinks.

Quote from Izzy

Did this had any response from Anet?

Considering that a global pandemic broke out and the entire studio is working from home, I don't think we should aim for too much, to be honest.

Hello everybody!

It comes to no surprise that uptime is important for me, and we just had a downtime of 3 hours and 40 minutes. Let me go ahead and explain what happened here.

About 3 hours and 40 minutes ago, our webhost's OpenStack platform was having an issue, which was recovered quite quickly.

However, we did experience a lot longer downtime - this was due to networking issues.

I started a emergency backup repair, but once this was done, Guild Wars Legacy was back online!

What should you do during downtime?

We have an excellent status page visible on https://status.guildwarslegacy.com - this is externally hosted, so you can access it when we are down.

Who do I have to notify when Guild Wars Legacy goes down?

Nobody. We have several monitoring tools running checks on Legacy, most likely we're already well aware when you notice we are down.

Check the status page to be certain.

Should you have further questions, let me know.

- Kevin

Identify costs are like 4 gp I think, or do I miss something? Your document seems to say it's 25 GP

Hello everybody,

Yesterday, we went live with a renewed theme called "The Legend of the Assassin", which is reminiscent of our older look before we switched to this software.

This is the biggest change so far in terms of the visual style of Guild Wars Legacy, including making Legacy use more width on your screen.

Due to these changes, I'd like to ask you all some feedback about the new theme and if there are any possibilities to improve it even further.

Kind regards,

- Kevin

Congratulations, really nice job!

Some tips I have to make more money:

• Identify everything you get from a level 20 mob. Even if it's white, just identify it.
  It can double in value just from doing that. Often, it will only be 1 gold more but sometimes it goes up dramatically.
  Down the line it is worth your while to identify everything - it will skyrocket your earnings.
• Check every drop with runes with the trader. Some might look useless, but some insignia's are worth quite a bit and some runes can net you over 20k profits!
  I always check every drop, it makes for an easy extra bit of money.

Back in my day, there was no lipsync. That only got added in with Nightfall.

Made some of those Factions missions really cringy without.

Quote from badjoe

Hi guys!

I was in the hospital during the event with coronavirus, so i missed the whole event. Im so disappointed about it. I wanna get at least the Proof of Triumph item to capture the new elites. I know that is possible with someone who have it, but i dont have active guild, and it takes so much time to find someone. I would ask the GW team to repeat the event in this special situation in june. It would be so cool! I think there are many other people who missed it for the same reason.

Sorry for my terrible english...

Quote from Alchimist

I just took a 1 month break after 1 year online everyday and this uptade happened xD im sooooo sad.. those weps are great for pvp

If you've got Proof of Legends in your bank from last years, you can still get the item for both the new skills + the new weapons.

Back in my day, Xfire tracked the amount of hours we played.

Back in my day, I got pawned in Minister's Cho Estate in Hard Mode (upon release of it).

I thought, it's the first mission of the game... how hard can it be in Hard Mode?

I was wrong. So very wrong indeed.

Quote from lorenna

Love this thread my friend just sent it to me

Back in my day...people thought that the Ravagers in Bloodstone Fen dropped ectos because of one photo shopped screenshot. It was on the wiki for the longest time too.

I actually remember that one. It took ages for that one to be debunked

Back in the day, it was possible to get stuck in normal mode easily.
Normal mode got nerfed so hard when hard mode came out.

I still remember being stuck in the Realm of Torment in between missions as the area and patrols were so hard - even with my guild we failed

Those were the days!

Back in my day, we had default templates you could choose from in PvP.

Back in my day, there wasn't an official wiki yet.

Quote from Red Fireball

okay, you got me intrigued... kevin! Please end the suffering :O

Strange

It's just a normal announcement...

Ok, I did something stupid. Fixed! Should work now.

Except for the Elementalist one (I'll get that one after a break), they're all up:

Quote from Sneaky

Ranger elite is most likely to be only meta changing elite for SC. (SoOSc)

For casual play or just for fun play, these will change the game quite well.

Quote from Ectoplasmus

Seems messed up. It is only showing down to the Warrior, Sin and RIT elites on the article atm

Noticed that and it's been fixed

Monk elite is up now too on the overview article!

Posting the updates here: Where to find the new PvE elite skills?

3 of the 4 locations are now listed!

Sorry for being silent here, juggling a lot of things here

Updates coming as soon as possible.

Abbadon's Cursed can be found here:

This boss carries with him the Ele and Necro skill. The necro skill is

:

I haven't got any pictures of the Ele skill yet.

Captured from Blade Ancient Syu-Shaii here:

Quote from fiedel

Helllo everyone. So i believe many toolbox users got banned at December Update 2019 so I would like to ask if I can still use toolbox these days.... Any opinions about that?

As far as I know, nobody was banned for using Toolbox. It's been the go-to excuse of botters to blame Toolbox, as it maddens most of the GW community.

They try to shift the valid bans as being caused by a tool that is a bit shady, but generally not really used for cheating.

I've still had to see any proof that someone was banned just for using Toolbox.

However, since it hasn't got the green light by ArenaNet, I do not encourage people using Toolbox. But I won't stop you either.

Quote from aeiou

LOL best quote on this website

Sorry, no, its worse currently, as we're all in lockdown.

In all seriousness: rules are made to evolve.

I'm working on it