• In an effort to expand upon the ever-growing knowledge base surrounding "pre-nerfs," I have put together this list with what is currently known about pre-nerf green (unique) weapons. Please see these other threads for their respective pre-nerf information: Weapons, Shield & Focus, Runes & Miscellaneous. The original thread on this topic (which showcases the initial discussion and some of the earlier findings) can be found here.

    "Pre-nerf/Prenerf," usually refers to anything produced in-game before the release of Nightfall and that is also not able to be produced currently or since. There are exceptions and slight variations, of course, and these will be outlined in their respective threads.

    As far as pre-nerfs go, green pre-nerfs are a relatively new discovery. Because of that, this list is still very much a work in progress and future updates and/or changes to what is believed to be true can and should be expected to happen. As with other pre-nerf threads, if you can provide proof of something not currently documented here (or proof against something that is), please feel free to contribute.

    There are hundreds of different green weapons in the game. I'll start by narrowing it down:

    • Prophecies greens (with the exception of Deldrimor Talisman & War In Kryta greens) are all eligible to have a pre-nerf version.
    • Factions greens (with the exception of most Amulet of the Mists greens & most Winds Of Change greens) are eligible to have a pre-nerf version.
    • No Nightfall pre-nerf greens are currently known or believed to exist.
    • No Eye of the North pre-nerf greens are currently known or believed to exist.

    Most non-green pre-nerf weapons have a single identifier: their stats.

    Because green weapons always come with a pre-set "package," they have a few more things to take into consideration:

    • Stats
    • Mod Order
    • Color

    A change in any of these is enough to be pre-nerf. Some greens may only have a change in one, while others show a change in all three.

    In addition, some greens may also show different differences for the same item. Yes, you read that right.

    While most greens will only have two versions (the pre-nerf and the current/post-nerf), some greens are known or believed to have three versions. This is because there were multiple updates that changed these items at different times (whether this was intentional or more of an unintended byproduct is unknown). For a green weapon to have three versions, it's currently believed that it must:

    1. Show some kind of mod order change between the versions
    2. AND
    3. Show some kind of color change between the versions

    Because of this, only some green staves from Factions (and Kepkhet's Refuge) are currently thought to have three versions, but other examples may exist.

    A breakdown of the differences would look like this:

    1. Current/post-nerf version: Current stats, mod order, and colors. Able to be dropped in-game still.
    2. "Original"/pre-nerf/2nd version: These green items will have both a different color and a different mod order when compared to their current/post-nerf counterpart. These dropped from the time of their release until about a month or two before Nightfall.
    3. Pre-nerf/3rd version: These green items will have the same color as their current counterpart, but the same mod order as the original pre-nerf. These dropped for the last month or two before the release of Nightfall.

    A few confirmed examples of all 3 can be found in the list below.

    The following is the list of greens currently known to have at least one pre-nerf version confirmed in-game. Please keep in mind that this list is incomplete. Additional entries will be added as they are discovered and confirmed.

    CONFIRMED: 180 (44 Prophecies, 136 Factions)

    qlaXjXM.pngOgre-Slaying KnifeColor change (weapon)9zxXqwZ.png
    qlaXjXM.pngVicto's MaulColor change (weapon)RW6al81.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngKepkhet's RefugeColor change (weapon) &
    Mod order change (three
    versions exist
    Sg1p0r6.pngWenslauss' FaithMod order changesjjn7w4.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngBrohn's StaffMod order changecH5oDrI.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngGardock's StaffColor change (weapon)XnFYX88.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngThe YakslapperColor change (weapon)CYEagrX.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngIvor's StaffColor change (weapon)mBOGgQZ.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngWroth's Holy RodColor change (weapon) &
    completely different stats
    Sg1p0r6.pngBrohn's Holy RodColor change (weapon)xdVuRXm.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngThe StonehartColor change (weapon)KiPp4qe.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngThe SoulstoneColor change (weapon)ds0Gm4a.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngWenslauss' ChaliceColor change (weapon)kHK5hUo.png
    5XcLO26.pngMilius' PillarMod order changeK5gRXi6.png
    5XcLO26.pngRunar's Brimstone StaffColor change (weapon)m8y1v50.png
    5XcLO26.pngFlint's FleshcleaverColor change (weapon)mJO68FD.png
    5XcLO26.pngGaligord's RodColor change (weapon)B7wpBnW.png
    5XcLO26.pngBrimstone WandColor change (weapon)QXvyIXO.png
    5XcLO26.pngRago's Flame WandColor change (weapon)Qk1GkYj.png
    5XcLO26.pngGaligord's Stone ScrollColor change (weapon)7zpUxtJ.png
    5XcLO26.pngThe BrimstoneColor change (weapon)PP91fks.png
    5XcLO26.pngFlint's ArtifactColor change (weapon)0hDGzm3.png
    5XcLO26.pngThe KindlerockColor change (weapon)HbTr9Ug.png
    fP3X67J.pngKole's TormentMod order changelxGvZei.png
    fP3X67J.pngFleshweaverColor change (weapon)z7lF55K.png
    fP3X67J.pngBortak's Bone StaffColor change (weapon)nkj2lbZ.png
    fP3X67J.pngGordac's NeedleColor change (weapon)uD4uBBZ.png
    fP3X67J.pngThe ShadestoneColor change (weapon)XDZjMWd.png
    fP3X67J.pngBortak's Bone CestaColor change (weapon)bL8Jz4y.png
    fP3X67J.pngKole's GauntletColor change (weapon)HELq8Sb.png
    fP3X67J.pngFrozen FanColor change (weapon &
    ygHbZVQ.pngIllyana's StaffMod order changewM1M6np.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngGorrel's StaffMod order changeJQpQvR2.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngVokur's StaffColor change (weapon)fn6lVE6.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngHandsmasherColor change (weapon)7ml48rV.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngWillcrusherMod order changekwE2WjV.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngGorrel's CaneColor change (weapon)iW2s6SI.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngVokur's CaneColor change (weapon)kDeQOaq.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngForgotten FanColor change (weapon &
    ygHbZVQ.pngIllyana's MirrorColor change (weapon)NAy1Qqd.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngKorvald's ChakramColor change (weapon)rxdI2Xm.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngGarbok's ChaliceColor change (weapon)ZOnHQDe.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngVokur's ChakramColor change (weapon)YLpNVCb.png
    vfPb7jI.pngFaithDifferent stats (the prenerf is missing a mod)ovPK7en.png
    qlaXjXM.pngKai's SwordColor change (weapon &
    qlaXjXM.pngSskai's SwordColor change (weapon &
    qlaXjXM.pngRajazan's FervorColor change (weapon & icon)mrsPYth.png
    qlaXjXM.pngKaolin BladeColor change (weapon & icon)GZns6OY.png
    qlaXjXM.pngQuivering BladeColor change (weapon & icon)nGusi9r.png
    qlaXjXM.pngVeraColor change (weapon &
    qlaXjXM.pngThe StonebreakerColor change (weapon &
    qlaXjXM.pngThe Ugly StickColor change (weapon &
    qlaXjXM.pngKanaxai's MalletColor change (weapon &
    qlaXjXM.pngSentasi's Jade HammerColor change (weapon & icon)VMqgkce.png
    qlaXjXM.pngWing's AxeColor change (weapon &
    qlaXjXM.pngIronclawColor change (weapon)Gdr5KAm.png
    qlaXjXM.pngRazorfin's AxeColor change (weapon & icon)0mo87NZ.png
    qlaXjXM.pngStrongroot's ShelterColor change (weapon &
    qlaXjXM.pngTarnen's ShieldColor change (weapon)mJbzqPR.png
    qlaXjXM.pngMerki's GazeColor change (weapon &
    qlaXjXM.pngBaubao's ShellColor change (weapon &
    qlaXjXM.pngJacqui's AegisColor change (weapon &
    qlaXjXM.pngArrahhsh's AegisColor change (weapon)gMjXs8L.png
    yHhyznH.pngRazortongue's Recurve BowColor change (weapon)CBrrPeU.png
    yHhyznH.pngSwiftscale's ShortbowColor change (weapon &
    yHhyznH.pngNundak's Recurve BowColor change (weapon)pyJBMHI.png
    yHhyznH.pngRyver's ShortbowColor change (weapon &
    yHhyznH.pngChkkr's FlatbowColor change (weapon & icon)k50dDWF.png
    yHhyznH.pngNandet's Recurve BowColor change (weapon & icon)x8x0TAI.png
    yHhyznH.pngUrgoz's ShortbowColor change (weapon)Nl5xsMF.png
    yHhyznH.pngUrgoz's FlatbowColor change (weapon & icon)NrFnmb0.png
    yHhyznH.pngRazorjaw's HornbowColor change (weapon)7TPtnpp.png
    yHhyznH.pngKaolin LongbowColor change (weapon)Q4MjoyS.png
    yHhyznH.pngLorelle's LongbowColor change (weapon & icon)Bbc1hcV.png
    yHhyznH.pngChehbaba's LongbowColor change (weapon)Ahd2c5J.png
    yHhyznH.pngBrrne's Recurve BowColor change (weapon & icon)cJCYpov.png
    yHhyznH.pngMeynsang's LongbowColor change (weapon)ltw6l4u.png
    yHhyznH.pngInallay's HornbowColor change (weapon & icon)0ljnS0q.png
    yHhyznH.pngRoyen's HornbowColor change (weapon)vh7lOZe.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngZiinjuu's SanctuaryCompletely different statsiqrtd49.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngKaolin Protection StaffColor change (weapon &
    icon) & mod order change (three versions exist)
    Sg1p0r6.pngJayne's StaffColor change (weapon &
    icon) & mod order change
    Sg1p0r6.pngStoneweaverColor change (weapon &
    icon) & mod order change
    Sg1p0r6.pngScourgewind's BranchColor change (weapon &
    icon) & mod order change
    Sg1p0r6.pngThe Scar EaterColor change (weapon)GwE2p8O.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngHukhrah's StaffColor change (weapon) &
    mod order change
    Sg1p0r6.pngSsuns' StaffColor change (weapon & icon) & mod order change4hMg30w.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngZiinfaun's BeliefColor change (weapon)YFuu6tz.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngMungri's FlameColor change (weapon & icon)2Dpf41y.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngWayward Wand (Divine/Prot)Different stats & dmg type0NYbL19.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngWayward Wand (Divine/Heal)Different Stats & dmg typewC93a5z.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngByzzr's BenedictionColor change (weapon)D05Mg9D.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngIncetol's FocusColor change (weapon)93nWDFM.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngKy's ChaliceColor change (weapon)JM0cgNO.png
    Sg1p0r6.pngShen's CensureColor change (weapon)OwShavI.png
    5XcLO26.pngKaolin Water StaffColor change (weapon &
    icon) & mod order change
    (three versions exist)
    5XcLO26.pngKoosun's Fire StaffColor change (weapon &
    5XcLO26.pngAmadis' Air StaffColor change (weapon & icon)RmGdD0L.png
    5XcLO26.pngKunvie's Air StaffColor change (weapon & icon) & mod order changeQsKXUAk.png
    5XcLO26.pngArbor's Earth StaffColor change (weapon & icon) & mod order changeXr5XLDJ.png
    5XcLO26.pngSeacrash's InfluenceColor change (weapon)XPpGPZo.png
    5XcLO26.pngShatterstoneColor change (weapon & icon)czx0gFT.png
    5XcLO26.pngZarnas' WrathColor change (weapon & icon)g4255DJ.png
    5XcLO26.pngBahnba's ScepterColor change (weapon & icon)2E5eV6R.png
    5XcLO26.png The Stonebreaker (wand)Color change (weapon & icon)HaujZkl.png
    5XcLO26.pngLian's LanternColor change (weapon)iCaIO5y.png
    5XcLO26.pngSnapjaw's PowerstoneColor change (weapon)PiGmKip.png
    5XcLO26.pngTarlok's FlagonColor change (weapon &
    5XcLO26.pngBizzr's FuryColor change (weapon)uqAGfBs.png
    fP3X67J.pngMilthuran's StaffColor change (weapon &
    icon) & mod order change
    (three versions exist)
    fP3X67J.pngKyril's FervorColor change (weapon &
    icon) & mod order change
    fP3X67J.pngKaswa's GluttonyColor change (weapon & icon) & mod order changeBoN218a.png
    fP3X67J.pngKaolin Accursed StaffColor change (weapon & icon) & mod order change
    (three versions exist)
    fP3X67J.pngThe StonereaperColor change (weapon &
    icon) & mod order change
    (three versions exist)
    fP3X67J.pngGhial's StaffColor change (weapon) & mod order change
    (three versions exist)
    fP3X67J.pngThe DarkwishColor change (weapon)d8WuSr3.png
    fP3X67J.pngWoe SpreaderColor change (weapon &
    fP3X67J.pngBazzr's WailColor change (weapon &
    fP3X67J.pngRot's PutrescenceColor change (weapon)TBgOgaY.png
    fP3X67J.pngSourbeak's TaintColor change (weapon)ccPKP6T.png
    fP3X67J.pngKkraz's IndulgenceColor change (weapon & icon)QrDQd0I.png
    fP3X67J.pngChan's GreedColor change (weapon & icon)qBBICkJ.png
    fP3X67J.pngFoulfist's FocusColor change (weapon & icon)vIocehD.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngKaolin Domination StaffColor change (weapon &
    icon) & mod order change
    ygHbZVQ.pngKenrii's SorrowColor change (weapon &
    icon) & mod order change
    (three versions exist)
    ygHbZVQ.pngSiska's StaffColor change (weapon & icon) & mod order changeLzVfDeH.pngbKQyaVj.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngTalous' StaffColor change (weapon & icon) & mod order changekuZUq1S.pngmgaZrSD.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngMilefaun's StaffMod order changej4apmMc.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngSwiftspell's StaffMod order changeIfGvU5E.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngWingstormColor change (weapon)XJ9NlH2.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngWayward Wand (Dom/Insp)Different statsBZcWE6F.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngWayward Wand (Illu/Insp)Different statsksluSS1.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngThe Dream HaunterColor change (weapon & icon)pwhF3sU.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngMina's GazeColor change (weapon & icon)6aKCGMr.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngThe Time EaterColor change (weapon)ZtlMcKE.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngMohby's ArtifactColor change (weapon)UzGNxNg.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngThe PurifierColor change (weapon)rK5T7Wj.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngDeeproot's SorrowColor change (weapon & icon)7UEnnKg.png
    ygHbZVQ.pngHanaku's FocusColor change (weapon)JkpDuch.png
    TdzVh4Y.pngTahkayun's PincersColor change (weapon &
    TdzVh4Y.pngChkkr's PincersColor change (weapon &
    TdzVh4Y.pngShreader's TalonsColor change (weapon &
    TdzVh4Y.pngRazorfang's ClawsColor change (weapon & icon)ihtAUa2.png
    TdzVh4Y.pngDaggers of XuekaoColor change (weapon &
    TdzVh4Y.pngKenshi's Butterfly DaggersColor change (weapon &
    TdzVh4Y.pngKaolin DaggersColor change (weapon &
    TdzVh4Y.pngEverthorn's ChakramsColor change (weapon &
    TdzVh4Y.pngFalaharn's Split ChakramsColor change (weapon & icon)zokZ83m.png
    TdzVh4Y.pngArius' SaiColor change (weapon & icon) & mod order change
    (the only known non-staff with a mod order change)
    TdzVh4Y.pngShrouded Oni DaggersColor change (weapon & icon)W0roLAa.png
    TdzVh4Y.pngSsaresh's Kris DaggersColor change (weapon & icon)eIwaLr6.png
    TdzVh4Y.pngUrkal's KamasColor change (weapon & icon)TrugA3a.png
    TdzVh4Y.pngOnata's ShardsColor change (weapon & icon)cmAyhr3.png
    fhHzWma.pngRitual Lord's StaffColor change (weapon &
    fhHzWma.pngSpiritgarden's ReposeColor change (weapon & icon) & mod order change
    (three versions exist)
    fhHzWma.pngOrosen's StaffColor change (weapon &
    fhHzWma.pngSsyn's StaffColor change (weapon & icon)Z2Llqq4.png
    fhHzWma.pngBazzr's StaffColor change (weapon & icon)DEqcJXg.png
    fhHzWma.pngMiki's StaffDifferent stats
    (Unique change unlike any other staff)
    fhHzWma.pngMossbeard's WandColor change (weapon &
    fhHzWma.pngWayward Wand (Spawn/Resto)Different statsMLw4OjJ.png
    fhHzWma.pngKaolin WandColor change (weapon &
    fhHzWma.pngVengeance SeekerColor change (weapon &
    fhHzWma.pngSpiritspeakerColor change (weapon & icon)knD7lrp.png
    fhHzWma.pngBrightclawColor change (weapon & icon)8W0rqnl.png
    fhHzWma.pngSoulwhisper's GuardianColor change (weapon & icon)TGtgCIo.png
    fhHzWma.pngThe Pain EaterColor change (weapon &
    fhHzWma.pngSseer's WishColor change (weapon & icon)Th7bL8j.png
    fhHzWma.pngThe Skill EaterColor change (weapon & icon)hL0WAd9.png
    fhHzWma.pngSpiriteaterColor change (weapon & icon)ZPL3nat.png
    fhHzWma.pngCho's ViceColor change (weapon & icon)2dgYjfF.png

    This list is for potential pre-nerfs (those believed to have a pre-nerf version but have not yet been confirmed in-game).

    Potential: 13 (0 Prophecies, 13 Factions)

    qlaXjXM.png(None thought to remain. See next list below.)
    yHhyznH.png(None thought to remain. See next list below.)
    Sg1p0r6.png(None thought to remain. See next list below.)

    5XcLO26.png(None thought to remain. See next list below.)
    fP3X67J.png(None thought to remain. See next list below.)

    ygHbZVQ.png(None thought to remain. See next list below.)
    qlaXjXM.png(None thought to remain. See next list below.)
    yHhyznH.png(None thought to remain. See next list below.)
    Sg1p0r6.pngSsuns' Staff (3rd)3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version already confirmed.
    (Stats will match the already-confirmed prenerf, but color will match the post-nerf.)
    Sg1p0r6.pngJayne's Staff (3rd)3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version already confirmed. (Stats will match the already-confirmed prenerf, but color will match the post-nerf.)
    Sg1p0r6.pngStoneweaver (3rd)3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version already confirmed.(Stats will match the already-confirmed prenerf, but color will match the post-nerf.)
    Sg1p0r6.pngScourgewind's Branch (3rd)3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version already confirmed.(Stats will match the already-confirmed prenerf, but color will match the post-nerf.)
    Sg1p0r6.pngHukhrah's Staff (3rd)3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version already confirmed.(Stats will match the already-confirmed prenerf, but color will match the post-nerf.)
    5XcLO26.pngSanhan's StaffCompletely different stats? (Similar to Ziinjuu's Sanctuary)Photoshopped image of what the prenerf is thought to look like.
    5XcLO26.pngArbor's Earth Staff (3rd)3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version already confirmed.
    (Stats will match the already-confirmed prenerf, but color will match the post-nerf.)
    5XcLO26.pngKunvie's Air Staff (3rd)3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version already confirmed.
    (Stats will match the already-confirmed prenerf, but color will match the post-nerf.)
    fP3X67J.pngKaswa's Gluttony (3rd)3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version already confirmed.
    (Stats will match the already-confirmed prenerf, but color will match the post-nerf.)
    fP3X67J.pngKyril's Fervor (3rd)3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version already confirmed.(Stats will match the already-confirmed prenerf, but color will match the post-nerf.)
    ygHbZVQ.pngKaolin Domination Staff (3rd)3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version already confirmed.(Stats will match the already-confirmed prenerf, but color will match the post-nerf.)
    ygHbZVQ.pngSiska's Staff (3rd)3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version already confirmed.(Stats will match the already-confirmed prenerf, but color will match the post-nerf.)
    ygHbZVQ.pngTalous' Staff (3rd)3rd version thought to exist. 2nd version already confirmed.
    (Stats will match the already-confirmed prenerf, but color will match the post-nerf.)
    TdzVh4Y.png(None thought to remain. See next list below.)

    fhHzWma.png(None thought to remain. See next list below.)

    This third chart lists all the remaining Prophecies & Factions greens which are thought to not have a pre-nerf version.

    My reasoning for this, along with Oldschool Cool 's explanation for staves, is given here.

    Until proven otherwise, these do not/should not have a pre-nerf version:

    Note: I have been wrong about a few items before. If you have one of the items below and you think it may be different in some way, please let me know and I'll check it out.

    ProfessionWeapon TypeName
    WarriorSwordGrognar's Blade
    SwordGrognar's Sword
    SwordVicto's Blade
    HammerThe Ice Breaker
    HammerMalinon's Malign Hammer
    HammerMalinon's Skull Crusher
    HammerThorgall's Stone Smasher
    AxeTanzit's Cleaver
    AxeTotem Axe
    AxeVicto's Battle Axe
    ShieldGrognar's Defender
    ShieldMalinon's Shield
    ShieldTanzit's Defender
    ShieldThorgall's Shield
    ShieldVicto's Bulwark
    RangerBowBoulderbeard's Shortbow
    BowDrago's Flatbow
    BowDrago's Vampiric Flatbow
    BowElswyth's Longbow
    BowElswyth's Recurve Bow
    BowGargash's Recurve Bow
    BowGraygore's Shortbow
    BowGraygore's Zealous Shortbow
    BowRotwing Recurve Bow
    BowStoneherder's Flatbow
    BowTarnok's Longbow
    BowTarnok's Recurve Bow
    BowThornbeard's Horned Bow
    MonkWandGordac's Holy Rod
    WandIvor's Smiting Rod
    FocusIvor's Icon
    FocusWroth's Icon
    ElementalistStaffGaligord's Stone Staff
    StaffRago's Flame Staff
    WandFlint's Wand
    FocusMilius' Eye
    NecromancerStaffMorgriff's Staff
    StaffVillnar's Staff
    WandMorgriff's Scepter
    WandVillnar's Claw
    FocusGordac's Hook Blood
    FocusVillnar's Glove
    MesmerWandGarbok's Cane
    WandKorvald's Cane
    FocusThe Rockmolder
    MultipleWandWayward Wand - all except:
    FocusStraw Effigy (all)
    WarriorSwordKanaxai's Edge
    SwordShiro's Sword
    HammerGavel of the Nephilim
    HammerHanjuu's Bludgeoner (low-level)
    AxeDragoncrest Axe
    AxeKanaxai's Axe
    AxeCho Wei's Axe (low-level)
    ShieldExalted Aegis (all)
    ShieldGeoffer's Bulwark
    ShieldReefclaw's Refuge
    ShieldSunreach's Shield
    RangerBowIronwing Flatbow
    BowIronwing Longbow
    BowUrgoz's Longbow
    BowAhvha's Longbow (low-level)
    BowJin's Hornbow (low-level)
    FocusMiella's Focus
    FocusRien's Sacrifice
    FocusFeng's Focus (low-level)
    ElementalistWandWhyk's Wand
    WandAuri's Wand (low-level)
    FocusChung's Focus
    FocusThe Windcatcher
    NecromancerWandThe Deathkeeper (low-level)
    WandYingko's Claw (low-level)
    FocusKonrru's Fervor
    MesmerStaffSulmeng's Staff (low-level)
    WandPhi's Wisdom
    WandBaozo's Wand (low-level)
    AssassinDaggerCeremonial Daggers
    DaggerDarkroot's Daggers
    DaggerLou's Karambits
    DaggerShiro's Blades
    DaggerUngues of the Oni
    DaggerPei's Blades (low-level)
    RitualistStaffTin Dao's Staff (low-level)

    FocusQuansong's Focus
    FocusTattered Fan

    Greens with documented retroactive changes.

    ygHbZVQ.pngThe RockmolderOriginally featured a universal 20% recharge mod.
    This was the only focus in the game to offer such a benefit.
    All existing Rockmolders were changed.
    TdzVh4Y.pngShiro's BladesOriginally required 15 Dagger Mastery.
    All were changed to 13.
    Only managed to find a French screenshot. If anyone knows of an English one, please tell me.
    qlaXjXM.pngShiro's SwordOriginally required 15 Swordsmanship.
    All were changed to 13.
    yHhyznH.pngStygian Recurve BowOriginally functioned as a Longbow.
    All were changed to function as a Recurve Bow.
    Image needed
    Sg1p0r6.pngFervorborn StaffWas originally misspelled as "Ferverborn Staff."
    All were corrected to Fervorborn Staff.
    5XcLO26.pngIceblood's WarstaffOriginally featured a single HCT Water 40% mod.
    All were corrected to have two 20% HCT Water mods instead.
    fhHzWma.pngPhoenix's RetributionOriginally missed what is the equivalent of its inscription.
    All were corrected to include it.
    xniFAKL.pngHassin's Shell
    Originally had 10 armor with no requirement.
    All were updated to give 8 armor and +20 health instead.
    Image needed
    xniFAKL.pngImperial Dragon SpearOriginally came with four mods.
    All were updated to remove the extra +30hp.
    Image needed
    vfPb7jI.pngWar in Kryta greensAll WiK greens were able to be modded at release.
    This was corrected and all were returned to their proper stats.
    Various iconsA few images of greens with colored icons have been found.
    These colored icons aren't possible today (greens or not).
    We think these were retroactively changed.
    A few examples can be seen here:
    - Ogre-Slaying Knife
    - Flint's Artifact
    - An old bank tab showing what seems to be:
    -- Galigord's Rod (prenerf)
    -- Gorrel's Cane (prenerf)

    IGN: Vengeful Was Unholy

    WTB Pre-nerf Greens -> Information

    My WTB Thread

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  • Almost all images have been updated to the newer format & higher quality. They should all be clickable now too.

    Went through and corrected the counts for confirmed and potential greens. Also fixed some images that had the wrong item shown...

    Added 10 new items to the list!

    1. Wenslauss' Chalice -- All Tombs greens (that should have a prenerf) are now confirmed!
    2. Kaolin Accursed Staff (2nd version) -- All 3 Kaolin Accurseds are now confirmed.
    3. Spiritgarden's Repose (2nd version) -- All 3 Spiritgarden's are now confirmed.
    4. Ghial's Staff (3rd version) -- All 3 Ghial's now confirmed.
    5. Kenrii's Sorrow (3rd version) -- All 3 Kenrii's now confirmed.
    6. Talous' Staff (2nd version)
    7. Zarnas' Wrath -- One of the very few greens that had a specific mention about a color change on its wiki page long ago. Finally confirmed after all this time.
    8. Ssyn's Staff
    9. Siska's Staff (2nd version) -- Color swap on this one seems to match the color swap on Ssyn's Staff. Confirming the old screenshot we found for the stat swap.
    10. Snapjaw's Powerstone -- All three storm artifact pre-nerfs are now confirmed! Colors here match those of The Brimstone (pre & post).

    There should be just 5 left to go for Prophecies and a lot left still for Factions. The remaining confirmed items with "TBA" still are ones I've personally confirmed in-game, but are either customized or not mine. Will work on getting images for them.

    Thanks, lads <3

  • Added 3 new confirmations to the list:

    • Fleshweaver (necro staff, prophecies): prenerf color matches the proposed (in the original research thread) prenerf color found in an old screenshot. Stats, order and icons are all identical.
    • Gardock's Staff (monk staff, prophecies): prenerf color matches the proposed (in the original research thread) prenerf color found in an old screenshot. Stats, order and icons are all identical.

    (Pretty sure we're down to just 3 remaining prophecies prenerfs!)

    • Ironclaw (axe, factions): This one was a big surprise. I had originally listed it as "this done not have a prenerf until proven otherwise." Only the little stylized red lines on the blade change color. The prenerf Ironclaw matches the colors on any basic gothic axe, but the postnerf Ironclaw has slightly darker lines. I thiiink this is the first instance of an undyeable martial having this sort of change? It seems to match The Yakslapper's sort of one-off weirdness. (The base skin for The Yakslapper, "Sacred Staff", I think matches that of the prenerf version, and the postnerf seems to have the differing color.)
      • Will try to get a better picture at some point, or just replicate with a regular gothic. The prenerf I confirmed was customized (sad react). The icons for the two are identical as far as I can tell.
      • I'm still pretty confident that most, if not all, remaining items listed as "not having a prenerf" won't actually have a prenerf. What I can prob do is run through them again and check postnerf versions vs. base skins. If others *don't* match (like Ironclaw/Gothic Axe), then there may be a chance.

    I still need to get around to some general thread cleanup and uploading some kind of image for the other confirmed TBAs from earlier. Hopefully that will help with finding some uncustomized versions.

    M u c h T h a n k & E n j o y

  • No brand new confirmations with this update, but I've added images for the following 9 greens previously marked TBA.

    1. Kaolin Protection Staff (2nd version) (monk staff, factions)- added image of color and mod changes now that I have one.
    2. Rago's Flame Wand (ele wand, prophecies) - very noticeable color difference. icon/stats are identical
    3. Kanaxai's Mallet (hammer, factions) - slight color difference in weapon and icon (most noticeable in the "silver" top of the hammer in the icon vs the darker "black" top in the icon of the postnerf. stats are the same.
    4. Swiftscale's Shortbow (factions) - very slight color difference in the green wraps. difference more noticeable in the prenerf icon. stats identical
    5. Nundak's Recurve Bow (factions) - slight difference in the red handle of the bow. stats/icon identical
    6. Ryver's Shortbow (factions) - very slight color difference in the entire bow, more noticeable in the prenerf icon (lighter/whiter in color).
    7. The Purifier (mez focus, factions) - color change in the weapon itself. stats/icons identical
    8. Everthorn's Chakrams (factions) - unfortunately no image of the weapon for now, but very noticeable difference in the icons.
    9. Vengeance Seeker (rit wand, factions) - color change in weapon/icon. prenerf is a brighter blue in both. stats identical.

    Items 2-9 are owned by and/or customized to their respective owners. Thanks to them for either providing screenshots (swiftscale/nundak) or loaning them to me temporarily (rago's flame wand). The rest are the best I can do with quick screenshots I've taken in the past, but hopefully that will help some extras of them turn up.

    Keep a lookout. Thanks <3

  • Happy to confirm that a prenerf "Faith" does exist. We thought so, but until now hadn't seen proof in-game. For whatever reason, the update that corrected the Imperial Dragon Spear and Phoenix's Retribution didn't correct these. Interesting to note that this is the only known prenerf added to the game after NF.

    Polished the thread a bit more.

    • Added some suspected prenerf images of a few unconfirmed greens.
    • Also transferred over the list for known retroactively changed greens from the original discussion thread
    • Transferred Oldschool Cool's explanation and examples for staff mod order changes to this thread. I combined that with my explanation, and added a few additional examples in the spoiler above the "no prenerf" list.

    If anyone has an image for any of the retroactive greens before they were changed, or knows of other examples, please share! Will add a few extra notes for some of these soon (like patch note dates, etc).

    See below for Faith proof. The stat comparison has been added to the main list. No color change on this one, just an addition of the missing mod.



  • Great job all around, the thread is now really E.X.H.A.U.S.T.I.VE.

    I think it's finally time that I change the original thread to redirect here and ask a mod to lock it down. (But not fully delete it in case people want to see the discussion and research).

    I'm also really sad to see the german wiki (https://www.guildwiki.de/wiki/) seems to be definitively down, even if I don't speak the language it was a great source of historical informations. Which remind us that in life or on the internet nothing last forever.


    IGN : Veni Vidi Wiki

    WTB Triple prof wands + Aegis/SotW + Prenerf runes + Sanhan's Staff (here)

  • A few more info that are still missing from the original thread :

    * The Old-icons : We were able to find some old picture that show green items using a totally different icon than the current one. Those icon were similar to the gold items using the same skin, our theory is they were temporary icon that got updated and are no longer in game.




    IGN : Veni Vidi Wiki

    WTB Triple prof wands + Aegis/SotW + Prenerf runes + Sanhan's Staff (here)

  • Also here are some more old picture showing the original color of the items in the potential category. All those picture are from some french fan-sites and were published in 2005/2006. I will publish them here in case the original site goes down.

    Ivor Staff

    The Kindlerock

    For the faction greens you can check this other website : http://gwguide.free.fr/armes_vertes_factions.php . Around 95% of the picture are prenerf (it's easy to spot on the staves that still have the 20% local HSR), but a few here and there are post nerf.
    I don't have a full collection of green item to compare it with, but i'm sure you could extract a few of them to illustrate the Potential Prenerf category.


    IGN : Veni Vidi Wiki

    WTB Triple prof wands + Aegis/SotW + Prenerf runes + Sanhan's Staff (here)

  • Quote from Unholy

    There is an old screenshot of the Bludgeoner hammer with a different mod order than the current one. However, this screenshot features the outdated 10/10 Sundering mod. Just before Factions, item drop tables were improved to offer higher quality mods. We also have an image from this time period of Gordac's Needle (which had a +3 energy mod and a different mod order) AND a proven Gordac's Needle pre-nerf currently. The pre-nerf has a +5 energy mod, and the same mod order as the current Needle. From this we can conclude that this particular update was retroactive in nature -- affecting all previously-created greens.

    I feel that the geens that were changed during 15 June 2006 update deserve a bit more of attention :

    26th April 2006 update :

    "Upgraded Sundering weapon components to provide a maximum Armor Penetration of +20% (Chance: 20%)."

    15th June 2006 update

    "Updates over the past several months have improved a number of weapons and armors; these updates applied only to newly generated items, not to items already in player inventories. This update applies past improvements to the following inventory items: Victo's Battle Axe, Drago's Flatbow, Stoneherder's Flatbow, Tarnok's Recurve Bow, the Bludgeoner, Flint's Wand, Korvald's Cane, Ivor's Smiting Rod, Brimstone Wand, Gordac's Needle, Bortak's Bone Claw".

    Looking at some old pictures (taken in 2005/early 2006) we can see that Victo's Battle Axe, Drago's Flatbow, Stoneherder's Flatbow and Tarnok's Recurve Bow got their penetration mod updated but nothing else was changed. Those can safely be included in the "Greens with documented retroactive changes" category because it's extremely unlikely that any of them had been forgotten.

    The other green listed show some different pattern :


    In the Original Bludgeoner the penetration was the very last mod, while in the current one the penetration is written just below the 15 wE.

    Gordac's Needle

    The new one is using a different mod order.

    Bortak's Bone Claw

    The new one has an energy+5e mod but the mod order is the same

    Korvald's Cane

    The new one has an energy+5e mod but the mod order is the same

    Ivor 's Smiting Wand

    The new one has an energy+5e mod but the mod order is the same

    Brimstone's wand

    The new one has an energy+5e mod but the mod order is the same

    Flint's wand

    The new one has an energy+5e mod but the mod order is the same

    As you can see the only 2 anomalies are Gordac's Needle and the Bludgeoner and it's still unclear if those green dropped before the April-2006 update and affected by the June-2006 update kept their original mod order or were changed to the regular mod order.

    We have been able to find an old Gordac's Needle with a prenerf color. Our understanding is that the color updated happened some times before Nightfall release, most likely between May and September 2006. It's possible that this old Godarc's Needle was dropped Post-April 2006 but Pre-Color update.

    In conclusion : Prenerf Gordarc's Needle or Bludgeoner with a different mod order might exist. The only way to disprove it would be to find someone who 100% remember dropping those item before April 2006.


    IGN : Veni Vidi Wiki

    WTB Triple prof wands + Aegis/SotW + Prenerf runes + Sanhan's Staff (here)

  • Several updates to the thread today.

    • Added confirmation of The Kindlerock thanks to a very generous donation from Kalvorn (along with a prenerf Rago's Wand!)
    • Added confirmation of Chkkr's Flatbow and an updated image of Ironclaw.
    • Added Foulfist's Focus to the potentials list (it was somehow missing until now...)
    • Corrected the counts on total confirmed and potential greens.
    • Added colored icons to the retroactive changes list (some we have found that don't have colored icons today)

    For the potentials list I've thrown together several comparison images using screenshots found on some of the old fan sites linked by Oldschool Cool (thanks!) Most aren't very good quality, but I added the ones I thought showed a noticeable difference (might need to click on the bow images...). Hopefully this will help some of them show up. None of these are confirmed yet, but there's a better idea of what to look for now.

    - Ivor's Staff

    - Brrne's Recurve Bow

    - Lorelle's Longbow

    - Urgoz's Flatbow

    - Urkal's Kamas

    - Arius' Sai

    - Quivering Blade

    - Foulfist's Focus

    - Cho's Vice

    - Seacrash's Influence

    - Arbor's Earth Staff

    - Hanaku's Focus

    Thanks <3

  • I've got an old Ky's Chalice that I think looks lighter than the screenshot on the wiki. Does anyone have a known-post-nerf one I can borrow to make a screenshot pair?

    Also, would it be possible for whoever did the Scar Eater screenshots to do another set? There's so much bloom I cannot see any difference in the staves.

    [Edit: I've also got a Soulwhisper's Guardian of indeterminate age that might maybe be a different shade than the wiki screenshot. It's hard to tell. Does anyone have a known-post-nerf one to compare it to?]

    Edited once, last by Chthon ().

  • I've got an old Ky's Chalice that I think looks lighter than the screenshot on the wiki. Does anyone have a known-post-nerf one I can borrow to make a screenshot pair?

    Also, would it be possible for whoever did the Scar Eater screenshots to do another set? There's so much bloom I cannot see any difference in the staves.

    [Edit: I've also got a Soulwhisper's Guardian of indeterminate age that might maybe be a different shade than the wiki screenshot. It's hard to tell. Does anyone have a known-post-nerf one to compare it to?]

    Hey, thanks for the questions! I have a full collection of post-nerfs for reference, and all "confirmed" screenshots are done by me. For almost all of them, I try to have the weapon facing the sun to show as much color/detail as possible. Because of this, some white/silver ones are extra saturated. I can maybe throw another comparison together real quick, but the differences between the two staves will still be quite minimal. I always bring a post-nerf with me to check someone's scar eater.

    Happy to help check for Ky's, Soulwhisper's and whatever else. IGN is Vengeful Was Unholy

  • Quick little update thanks to Chthon and a few redditors coming in clutch.

    Added the following confirmations to the list:

    • Bortak's Bone Staff
    • Ky's Chalice
    • Shatterstone
    • Mohby's Artifact
    • Soulwhisper's Guardian

    Also added a better image for The Purifier.

    In theory there's just one Prophecies pre-nerf left to be found: Ivor's Staff. If you have one, get in touch and let's check it out! A supposed pre-nerf image is shown for it's entry in the "potential" list.

    The Factions list is slowly being chipped away at.

    As always, thanks for the help. (Shoutout to the 50+ guests this thread had yesterday from reddit) <3

    Edit: Also corrected an error that said the icons for Ghial's Staff changed between versions. Icons are identical. It's only the staff itself that changes color.

    IGN: Vengeful Was Unholy

    WTB Pre-nerf Greens -> Information

    My WTB Thread

    Edited once, last by Unholy ().

  • Added the following greens that were previously listed as "do not have a prenerf" to the confirmed/potential lists.

    • Rajazan's Fervor - confirmed (sword, factions)
    • Urgoz's Shortbow - potential (bow, factions)

    Urgoz's Shortbow was a simple oversight by me. For whatever reason I was thinking half moon skins didn't dye and that Urgoz's was an undyed version on top of that. But it's very obviously dyed (silver-ish). A prenerf should exist. Whoops.

    Rajazan's is different.

    Back in November when I found a prenerf Ironclaw, it was on the "no prenerf" list too. What that one showed is that even though a skin might be undyeable by us, they are not necessarily undyed to begin with. With the Ironclaw update, I said that I would go through all the other "no prenerf" items and compare them against their base skins. I finally got around to doing that, and tested them both in-hand and on the ground.

    When an item is dyed, only the dyeable portions of the skin will show while the item is held. When the item is dropped on the ground, the entire weapon will show as the dyed color. This can make subtle color changes easier to spot, or in the case of Rajazan's Fervor, show some changes that weren't visible in-hand.

    Here's an example using The Ugly Stick.

    While held, only the wraps on the handle will dye. While on the ground, the entire club is dyed.


    Here they are side by side on the ground. The difference is more noticeable than in the comparison screenshot in the confirmed list.


    For Rajazan's Fervor, and the Broadsword skin, it turns out the entire weapon is dyed, but while held, only the tassels on the handle show any change, and because they move so much it can be hard to spot. Luckily, dropping them freezes the tassels, and the differences become more obvious. The handle on the base skin has like a like blue tint, as does the blade. In comparison, Rajazan's looks silver. With the tassels and hilt being slightly darker on the postnerf.


    The icons for the two Rajazan's versions are also different, with the same spot around the handle being darker on the postnerf. Tbh, I didn't even notice this until I was putting the comparison screenshot together for the confirmed list.


    As for the rest of the "no prenerf" list, the only other thing I found is Stoneherder's Flatbow. It is dyed, but what I hadn't realized was that it was bugged at first and didn't start dropping until mid 2007, so it missed the prenerf changes. No other items on the list showed any differences between the green and base skin.

    For the pvp-only skins, I still need to check the following:

    1. Elliptical Staff, for Tin Dao's Staff
    2. Shield of the Dead, for Tanzit's Defender
    3. Dark Spore Staff, for Morgriff's Staff
    4. Forgotten Fan, for Tattered Fan
    5. Ungues of the Oni, for Ungues of the Oni...
    6. Greater Sturdy Bow, for Drago's Flatbow

    I don't expect these to have anything...but just for the sake of being thorough.

    For others with completely Unique skins (The Ice Breaker, Totem Axe, Urgoz's Longbow, Kanaxai's Axe, etc), there's no base skin or pvp version to test them against, but I don't expect them to show any changes.

    That's all for now. Hope to get more things added in the future. Still a lot left to find.

    Edit: If I've ever checked or bought prenerfs from you and skipped over an Urgoz Shortbow or Rajazan...we should probably take another look.

    Thanks <3

  • Moved the following greens previously listed as "potential" to the "confirmed" list.

    • Seacrash's Influence (such a nice color omg. matches the previously-assumed prenerf image)
    • Milefaun's Staff (confirms the old, assumed prenerf image)
    • Falaharn's Split Chakrams (brand new find, first I've seen of it)

    Added better/updated images for:

    • Ryver's Shortbow (pretty sure I had mixed up the weapons in the previous comparison. Icons were correct but bows were flipped. whoops)
    • Vengeance Seeker
    • Added labels for the 3 ghial's staff versions that were previously missing in the comparison

    With this updated we're officially at two-thirds of all estimated prenerfs found! 128 out of an estimated 192.

    Getting there <3

    Thanks as always

    Edit: also added labels to the 3 spiritgarden's repose versions (previously missing in the comparison image)

    IGN: Vengeful Was Unholy

    WTB Pre-nerf Greens -> Information

    My WTB Thread

    Edited once, last by Unholy ().

  • Moved the following items from the potential list to the confirmed list:

    • Urgoz's Shortbow
    • Nandet's Recurve Bow

    Added photoshopped stat or color comparison images using other old screenshots for the following potential greens to give a better idea of what to look for:


    1. Ssuns' Staff
    2. Swiftspell's Staff
    3. Arbor's Earth Staff
    4. Kunvie's Air Staff
    5. Wayward Wand (Illusion/Inspiration)


    1. Shrouded Oni Daggers
    2. Onata's Shards
    3. Razorjaw's Hornbow

    Also managed to find images of the original req 15 Shiro's Blades and Shiro's Sword. The blades image is in French, so if anyone knows of an English one, please post it. Both of these are listed in the "retroactively changed" section.

    I tried to find images of the original Hassin's Shell, the bugged Imperial Dragon Spear, and Stygian Recurve Bow but haven't managed anything yet. If you know of any, please post them. For the Stygian bow, I remember the name always being "Stygian Recurve Bow", but I'm 99% sure it used to say "Two-handed Longbow" at the bottom, to match its functionality at the time. When the functionality changed, that text was changed too.

    If anyone remembers differently, please let me know. Thanks <3

  • Added the following items to the confirmed list (from the potential list).

    • Urgoz's Flatbow (the inventory icon on this one is actually visible and not pitch black!)
    • Kaolin Blade (stoked to finally see one, even if it was custo... :( )
    • Mungri's Flame

    Added improved images for:

    • Kanaxai's Mallet
    • Everthorn's Chakrams (this one has been confirmed but missing a decent comparison for the past year and a half. Finally found another pair, also customized...but was able to get better images this time)

    We're slowly getting there. Little by little. Ask around. You probably know someone who knows someone who has something unconfirmed.

    M U C H T H A N K <3

  • Hello, does anyone can help me to know if my items are pre or post-nerf ?

    Flint's Fleshcleaver and Galigord's Stone Staff :

    Edit, i found a spiriteater on my rit, here is the picture if you want to compare colors (i am not sure it's prenerf, i bought a lot of green all the time because i liked them)

  • Hey there,

    just pure curiosity: Is there a reason you don't list Urgoz Longbow at all? I see you already have the short and flatbow proven but the Longbow is in none of your lists.

    It was my absolute favourite skin when I started playing and I'd love to see if there's a prenerf version of it :)

    Keep up the great work.

    Cheers man!


    Thanks for the reply and the insights Unholy

    Guess I missed it. Too bad ist doesnt have a nerfed version but it‘s still a lovely :)

  • Hey!

    Urgoz's Longbow is currently listed under the "no prenerf" list near the bottom of the thread, between the "potentials" and "retroactives" lists. :)

    As for why, I'm like 99.99999% sure that none of the greens with totally unique skins (think things like Urgoz's Longbow, Kanaxai's Axe, Totem Axe, The Ice Breaker, etc) will have a prenerf version. I haven't been able to find any proof of ones with changes (among time-appropriate owners of them with several other prenerfs or on old websites) and they're not available as pvp skins to help test "base" skin/color/etc.

    Also, a relative's old account has an Urgoz's Longbow that I know has been there for ages. He last played in early 2007 and had a few other prenerfs scattered about. His Urgoz shows no difference next to a recent one. Sorry to say, but I don't think a prenerf exists :( The trifecta of bows would've been rad though.

    Ratch Galigord's Stone Staff has no prenerf, but Flint's Fleshcleaver does, and yours is it, as I mentioned. Not sure on the Spiriteater, but still waiting to meet up with you in game to check it and others. Thanks!

  • Blown away by recent contributions.

    A massive 23-item update to the thread. All of the following have been moved to the confirmed list:

    1. Sentasi's Jade Hammer (all hammers have now been confirmed!)
    2. Arrahhsh's Aegis (all shields have now been confirmed!)
    3. Razorjaw's Hornbow
    4. Kaolin Longbow
    5. Lorelle's Longbow
    6. Kaswa's Gluttony (was added to the thread a few weeks ago, hadn't posted about it yet)
    7. The Darkwish (prenerf raven staff wooo)
    8. Ssuns' Staff
    9. Kaolin Protection Staff (3rd version)
    10. Kaolin Water Staff (3rd version)
    11. Amadis' Air Staff
    12. Bahnba's Scepter
    13. The Dream Haunter
    14. Wayward Wand (Illusion/Inspiration) (all 5 wayward wands have now been confirmed!)
    15. Bazzr's Staff
    16. Spiritspeaker
    17. Sseer's Wish
    18. The Skill Eater
    19. Shrouded Oni Daggers
    20. Ssaresh's Kris Daggers
    21. Urkal's Kamas
    22. Razorfang's Claws (finally!)
    23. Arius' Sai (confirmed to have the mod order change it was thought to based on old wiki screenshots. This is the only confirmed non-staff with a mod order change.)

    A big question now is if Arius' Sai should have 3 versions. Based on my initial rule in the OP (color change + mod order change = 3 versions), it should. But if we use Oldschool Cool 's explanation for 3-version staves, then it might not, because it's not the prefix/suffix that are swapping, but the inherent +5e. Because of this, I'm leaning towards Arius' only have 2 versions.

    I need to update the OP to adjust some details/wording of other things, and the explanation for 3-version greens will prob get adjusted too to reflect this.

    Stoked on this huge boost to the project. We're now left with just an estimated 36 more to find.

    Some highlights to look forward to:

    - Still 1 Prophecies green left to find: Ivor's Staff

    - 1 dagger now left to find: Onata's Shards

    - 2 total warrior items left to find (Quivering Blade and Razorfin's Axe)

    Almost there, lads.

    Thanks <3

  • Hi!

    I might have a pre-nerf Ivor's Staff. I'm not very good at seeing the color differences, but it looks similar to the picture posted, and the mods are in an order different than those posted on the wiki (though there isn't mention in this thread of prenerf Ivor's maybe having different mod order). Let me know if you want to take a look! IGN is Ailina Storage I, feel free to ping me if you see me on Unholy

  • Small bump for visibility and a couple new things for the eles out there.

    Added these to the confirmed list:

    • The Stonebreaker (wand)
    • Kunvie's Air Staff (2nd version)

    Small bit of trivia: When I was first starting this project and going out and farming all the postnerf copies, The Stonebreaker wand took me more kills than any other to get dropped. 62 kills for it. :S

  • May have jumped the gun on last week's update. 3 more to add to the confirmed list now.

    • Chehbaba's Longbow
    • Brrne's Recurve Bow
    • Spiriteater

    Also realized that Royen's Hornbow was somehow completely missing from the OP this entire time. What is this, amateur hour? Added it to the potential bows section and updated the description of it and Meynsang's to say that only the weapon itself should change, not the icons.

    In case anyone I've checked in the past had a Royen's and we didn't look at it because you didn't see it listed here....uhhh, message me.

    The addition of Royen's brings the new suspected total to 193, with 161 of them now confirmed. :)

  • Added these to the confirmed list:

    • Quivering Blade
    • Kkraz's Indulgence

    Added an image for a potential Chan's Greed pre/postnerf comparison.

    About a year ago, I made a post on reddit detailing progress on this at the time. It said 119 out of 190 confirmed. We're currently at 163 of 193. So in the past year (with the two recent additions included) we've found 44 of them. With any luck we might be able to finish it this year.

    30 more to go :)

  • Huge update and important announcement: Prophecies is finished!

    Almost exactly a year ago, when Bortak's Bone Staff was found, the Prophecies catalogue was down to just Ivor's Staff remaining. But we've finally got proof of one.

    Added the following 17 (!) items to the confirmed list.

    • Ivor's Staff
    • Razorfin's Axe
    • Meynsang's Longbow
    • Inallay's Hornbow
    • Royen's Hornbow
    • Arbor's Earth Staff (2nd version)
    • Bizzr's Fury
    • Chan's Greed
    • Foulfist's Focus
    • Swiftspell's Staff
    • Mina's Gaze (very very subtle, but icon is easier to see than weapon itself)
    • Deeproot's Sorrow
    • Hanaku's Focus
    • Onata's Shards
    • Miki's Staff * (See notes below)
    • Brightclaw
    • Cho's Vice

    Massive boost to the thread. A few things to note:

    • Phi's Wisdom was removed from the potential category and added to the "no prenerf" category. Most of the above additions were from someone who says they farmed them back in the day. All of his green staves were 2nd version, suggesting they were farmed early on, before the secondary update before Nightfall released. His Phi's showed no difference when compared to a postnerf one (I was thinking maybe a slight color change, but it seems to use the default color for that skin -- hard to test for as it was a pvp only skin)
    • Miki's Staff was moved from the "no prenerf" category to the confirmed list. Oddly enough, I've had one of these for several months and never even realized it. A guy named Ponder PM'd me saying he found one that was different and it was (huge thanks!). I checked one I had bought from someone a while back (who had other prenerf greens) and turns out it was also different. No idea how I didn't notice it at the time, but hey.
      • A note about this staff though. It has no color change, mod order change, or change of mods (like Ziinjuu's or the potential Sanhan's). Instead, the postnerf is just a direct upgrade from the prenerf. This is the only staff (or green in general) I've seen with this kind of change. Not sure what to make of it, so I did some digging.
      • On the list of factions unique items, we can see at the bottom in the non-max section, the original edits for Sanhan's Staff, Ziinjuu's Sanctuary, and Miki's Staff all show their prenerf stats. However, when clicking on the individual item pages for them, they show the correct/updated stats. Edits for those pages seem to have been done sometime in early/mid 2007 to show the new stats, but the general list wasn't fixed. Looking at all the other non-max/Shing Jea greens, none of them are any different than their postnerf counterparts. Of course, that's not a 100% guarantee that they won't have prenerfs, but that page is the only "evidence" I've seen for Miki's, not including the now-known in-game copies.

    I've added a note to the top of the "no prenerf" section just to say it's not 100% certain (but like 99.999% certain...), because I've been wrong a few times, so please ask if you have questions about an item on that list.

    All that said, there are an estimated 13 left to find. Just Sanhan's Staff (heh...) and 12 other 3rd version staves (oh boy...).

    I don't reasonably expect to find all of these, but I think it's fair to say we now have about as close to a complete catalogue as we may ever have, with very few, if any, questions left unanswered. 93% of the suspected items have been found. 180 confirmed out of 193 suspected.

    It's taken about 2.5 years to put this together. I've been much busier irl recently, and with this latest update, I'll definitely be toning down the hunt for new ones (though there are still several I would like...). If anyone comes across something new, I'll gladly update the thread with it.

    Until then, thanks to all who helped along the way. I'll try to get a list of people up sometime. Hope you enjoy.

    Much love,

    Unholy :)