Do you want another expansion for Guild Wars 1 and will you pay for it? 108
Yes (103) 95%
No (5) 5%
If you see something in italics, it is something that has been mentioned or written below in comments and added to the main post due to its importance.
I know it sounds like a far-fetched idea at the start but it may not be as difficult as it may seem. I am not sure if there is a another thread like this as I could not find any on searching, so I thought it is best to have one.
Many of us wonder why would Anet not work on a another campaign for Guild Wars 1 when there are so many players still playing and many people doing a back and forth between Guild Wars 2 and 1 like myself. The question in itself is very mysterious and intriguing. Is it about their pride to not make it look that GW 1 was better than GW2 in which they invested so much yet it could not reach the popularity compared to GW 1 or WoW.
Player retention rate is far higher for GW 1 compared to GW2. GW 1 is much simpler and easy to maintain compared to heavy GW2. Yes you can jump and do many unique things is GW2 but for some reason there is always something missing there. I bought all of GW2 expansions and played them and was surprised to see for example that with GW2 Heart of Thorns the new area was flooded with players in the first 2-3 months and it was truly a very fun and unique experience. But sooner than later the place became dead and became so hard to find a group or start a party. When we look at Deep,DOA, Underworld etc. in GW1 the story is quite different. These and many other areas remained active and full of players for years and even today you can find a group or a player willing to do them with ease.
So why? "The great question".
Why is ANET allowing the game to die away slowly or run a minimum level forever? It will take another 10 years for it to go completely dead, and to be honest I even doubt that given the low server costs and relentless and persistent players who will never quit it.
Anyone you talk to says GW1 is the best MMOs of all time or the best game they ever played. No one seems to give that kind of great weight to GW2.
Part of the answer to the above question is the finances and personnel needed for a new expansion. I feel for ANET it would not be a very big deal to come out with a serious plan to do that if they really wanted to. Maybe they need another petition or a strong and persistent push from players to keep thinking about it. It is possible, someone there just needs to wake up and look at the reality. Both GW1 and GW2 can be active together as most players will end up buying both and playing both.
I thought I will start a topic so that other players who would love to see another expansion for Guild Wars 1 can write their thoughts and feedback. If we talk about it, imagine it, hope for it and most important just keep asking for it, ANET may be left with no option but to make it.
Maybe someone from ANET could list the problems as to why the expansion is not possible or not happening. I would also like to know how much it will truly cost to produce another expansion. I am more than positive many people would fill the financial part by just purchasing pre-orders to fund it. There are so many other ways to finance it. I am just asking why there is a hesitation on this from ANET?
A message to the Dev's from me: We love you, your work and your efforts to keep the game running. I could not be clearer on this. I am just forced to make arguments here to support the idea and no offense is ever intended to anyone. We need your support more than ever for this to succeed. Please if possible help in any way possible. It is absolutely the most appreciated thing. Thank you for creating this wonderful game and now we need your support to take it further.
1) Finances for the project.
2) Removing the bias against Guild Wars 1 internally within ANET and externally with pessimists.
(We want both GW 1 and GW 2 to run simultaneously as this is not against GW2 in any way. I play GW 2 as well ).
The agenda and strategy is simple and as follows:
STEP 1) Gather steam here and collect around 500-1k poll votes (I personally prefer to achieve 1k here).
STEP 2) Propagate on social media for several weeks ( I will invest my resources for this if needed).
STEP 3) Start the petition and gather 10k signatures.
STEP 4) Formulate a team of financial and other relevant professionals needed and meet with executives at NCSOFT/ANET (I have all the resources needed for this at hand).
STEP 5) Present several paradigm's with conviction and defining argument, show them the light at the meeting and hope for the best while being prepared for the worst.
This is how I intend to approach it. I do not want to do this alone without the fans of this beautiful game and start from point 4. This is all about the current players and fans, and if the support is not there then why do we need a expansion anyways for a old game.
This all about us fans and that is why I have taken this approach against a outright professional one. The power of the people has the ability to change anything that seems impossible, that is why this has started here to fuel the fire needed for the change we seek one last time.
Updates to this original post can be found below with most recent on the top.
One of the supporters is a writer and has published an article about this on their website which should be applauded. We need more serious individuals like this on board. Take a look and get inspired.
Please let us keep this simple and to the main point which is reflected in the poll question itself. Let us not embarrass ourselves with expert opinions as even though many of us are/or maybe qualified on the subject, the truth is none of it matters right now and none of us have ever worked for NCSOFT/ANET. Discussing about developers, artists, coding, technical details, specifics of has no relevance to this movement/petition. I am more than qualified to talk about them but that is not needed here nor does that discussion serve any purpose. If you must discuss those things, please feel free to start another thread and do so.
If you have worked with NCSOFT/ANET; please do contribute if you can and let us know what other obstacles are there behind the two core ones mentioned above. That would be really helpful on a serious note.
Please keep this post about the poll and leave positive comments if you want this to happen so that we can use this whole post as a tool to substantiate our cause when the time arrives.
I will stop responding to replies that contain discussion on the difficulties associated with the expansion, technical details etc.
Requesting legacy staff in particular to be more supportive.
I have been in touch with some Guild Leaders and everyone so far has been very supportive. They are thinking of ways to get people's attention to this post and vote.
Once we get 500-1k votes I will start an official petition with the weight of positive comments and votes we gather here.
We will also try to request with ANET to have a login poll in Guild Wars 1, where every player who is logging in can participate in this question to have an even bigger response rate that is needed (suggested by supporter). If this happens I think there will be no need for a petition as we all know how the majority of players are going to vote.
Surprisingly, I have had a very positive response from players and some guild leaders in GW2. They want to see this happen and want to play both games simultaneously with a real interconnecting something.
Lastly, I would like Guild Leaders to post this message in their respective guilds and alliances if possible (suggested by supporter) or get in touch with me so we can strategize the propagation of information. This can be very tricky and dramatic and I do not have a clear plan on this. I did not anticipate this would be an issue but there are some trolls in every guild/ally that just view this with a pessimistic vision. I am still working on how to get the message across to out 1900 strong LGiT alliance members. Our leader is very supportive and also working on the same.
Right now it is simply too early to involve anyone from ANET. We will get there step by step:)
Here is how you can help:
By voting above.
Spreading the word to your friends who are like minded to vote also.
Write your thoughts below and why you would love to see a expansion.
No point debating negatively as this is a positive approach.
Ten thousand votes are needed, looks difficult but that is what it will take for the plan to get done.
(Previous petitions carried about two thousand half-hearted signatures; we are aiming for a full expansion or nothing as small updates happen already and will continue).
All ideas on how to spread this message and gather support are most welcome.
I am determined to get this done, are you? If yes please support:).
IMPORTANT: Folks be clear on one thing, this is not something we can accomplish in a day or two. Will take months to gather the support needed and perhaps more platforms than legacy alone. I wanted to do this last October but took me time to get the notion and purpose clear in my mind. As winter holiday's approach more players will come back and it is better to have this in place to gather as much support as we can. So those of you who have Guilds and are community leaders need to spread this message. It is not about me or you. It is simply about the question in the poll and gathering support for it. We have to be patient about this and do it the right way and try sincerely.
Do like the post if you must ! ....much appreciated.
PS: excuse for typos as I typed this fast.
I will keep updating the post with the comments I get below and other important things that come to mind.
Thank you all for the support, but our work is just starting. If we want this we all have to come together and first of all get the votes here. So let us just stay focused on that.
IMPORTANT REPLIES ADDED FROM COMMENTS SECTION ADDRESSING CORE FAQs.
A: Argument against "Previous ANET team has disbanded and this will never happen" .........
This question that you raise about the previous ANET team has disbanded carries no impact on the outcome we seek. Maybe I am not communicating this properly. I want folks to understand that we do not need a single previous employee who worked on GW1 to get a new expansion made in theory. Yes having them or some GW1 engineers/coders etc. etc. can make life easy but it is not a necessity. If this becomes a reality, new engineers/coders will be hired who will have access to all the previous data that is there and work on to improve it. This actually makes the life of that person a lot easier than starting from scratch. New individuals bring in new ideas and approaches to any task. It is well known that the second generation of anything is always better than the first in most cases. Also from a artistic perspective, why would we not want new ones? We do not want another NF/Fac or EOTN but new works of art. Sometimes, the previous artists are very versatile and imagine new things and make them completely different from the previous ones. So if we get the old artists of GW1 who want and can contribute towards this, well and good and if not, new ones can be hired.
EXAMPLE: Do not view this as a task where the original person is no more so it can't be done again. This is not a painting made by Pablo Picasso. It was a collective effort of many individuals working as a team which was never static. Dynamic team is always way better than a static one in any case. If you are made to believe that this simply not possible because the original team is no longer there, then that is simply not true and nothing more than a distracting comment. These are just generic replies that anyone would make in this case. Given the financial resource supported by a serious determined executive will take this in any direction they want.
This is not the most sophisticated or complex code out there, this is a fact. In fact it is nowhere near that. I am not saying it is a walk in the park, but I am trying to emphasize that it is a "accomplishable task" if the right resources are added. Financial resources are the first major and most important obstacle. If we can establish that within the proposal and it is put the right person in NCSOFT or ANET for that matter with a defining argument, they will see it through.
This not about the small details about the game and how they will code them right now, it is more about making this work simultaneously with GW2 which has become their pride and our second major obstacle. To come out with a GW1 expansion may seem to some as a indication that GW2 is failing or failed so ANET wants to bring back GW1 to keep running. This notion can be very strong with the people observing from outside as and have a strong negative bias towards GW1 from within the current employee base in ANET for GW2.
That is why I have planned a strategy to address these two core issues that we will face if we get there. I can deal with these but to get there we need lots of support from players who have played GW1 and would want this to happen. Votes carry meaning and value and cannot go unnoticed if significant numbers are reached.
ANET could do a login poll today and I think any analytical person there already knows what the majority response would be. We just need to push persistently for them to do it. If a petition is needed for that, so be it. We can try.
Please excuse for typos and errors
B: Argument against the notion " This is very difficult and will never happens as ANET Dev's have told us so" and "Speculating on the technical details related to any expansion" ........
Nothing is easy; we cannot just rely on the difficulties, that way Factions, Nightfall or EOTN would not have been made. Once they decide to do, people come in who can handle the difficulties. The questions is simple, do you want a expansion and will pay for it? YES. Then let us just collect the needed votes and I can put up a strong case with a defining argument.
I can see through this and I do not understand why we cannot have a "Go Big or Go Home" attitude on this. We want a full expansion or a series of them, not just a few tweaks.
In my mind the thing is clear, I want a expansion and not just updates or a few things here and there. That is like caring for a sick person in hospice. I have been OK with that also, but definitely would like to try strongly. For that I need votes as the previous petitions failed due to lack of people voting or signing them. Ten thousand votes can make it happen. Previous petitions I could find only gathered two thousand at most or less. People maybe took it lightly and probably the leadership was not clear. You have to be clear on what you want. Updates are happening already but we are asking for more as everyone wants. Everyone wants it but when it comes down to seriously do something about it, we are making it a debate.
It is not for us to decide or comprehend the difficulties involved and speculate. We are not ANET. We can pay as we love this game and would like to see it alive and flourishing. Even though I can manage and direct this from start to finish just by myself. The question is only about the finance for it. If one has a zeal and insight into the matter supported by strong and relentless determination; we as humans can achieve anything. That is the attitude I keep in mind. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
Better to try then just keep speculating about it.
I know it is a difficult task to accomplish, gathering votes, is a first step.
If you want an expansion, just vote and write the good things you feel about the game. Such things never go unnoticed.
I just do not understand why a few people who have told me nothing besides how much they love this game for the past 10 and specially the past 5 years start to speculate and debate "it is very difficult" , "it will never happen" , "they (Anet) are busy with gw2" etc, etc. These are simply pessimistic views and distracting notions and comments and do not take anyone far.
One has to have a positive attitude first before even opening the question and problem bank.
Obviously, no offense to anyone is intended, and this is and will be a debate no matter what. We can either let someone who has a plan try it out or just keep sitting and let it die.
Choice is in your hands. Vote either way, but do vote and spread the word please.
Please excuse any typos and passion induced unintended offense.