Economy Discussion

Quote from Sandro Vaz Pereira

Bots have more accounts than your average person. I don’t see how that solution is better when a botter with 10 accounts can then just exchange 5 arms (that they botted) on each account for 1 of some “new currency” every day to reach their limit 10x and still end up with more than the normal person.

I also don’t agree making arms untradable is the right idea because that just screws everyone who plays legitimately and has armbraces.

I don’t agree that there are “many ways to do it”. There isn’t even one easy solution imo and botters in ANY game will ALWAYS find a way to get ahead - that’s just reality.

I have no solution to suggest of my own because other than ANET investing in bot detection and banning I don’t think there is anything that can be done that isn’t just an ineffective bandaid, and waste of development effort, in the long run.

Agreed . No viable solution left. The “economy” no longer exists on GW1, because Anet has concentrated on other games which have different economic systems and which bring in more money IRL. Abandoning GW1 in terms of development. AND let's not forget..... (Continued after the 2nd spoiler)->

Quote from zxc

Rather than new currency they can have npc vendors that sell mods/cons in exchange for armbraces, this could quickly curb armbrace inflation.

Mods such as 20% hsr inscriptions on offhands, 15^50, +x elements/phys and cons can be anything from red candies to summoning stones.

Basically anything that can let you exchange armbraces for perishables would quickly deflate ambraces and technically increase its value in smaller quantities.

For example, like 1 armbrace could be exchanged for 10 red rock candies as a base, but the vendor exchange amount works like any other vendor npc based on demand and supply.

Basically anything that lets you delete armbraces in the game in exchange for useable cons/items would be beneficial.

Zaishen Keys is good example of a currency that regulates itself due to its intended use, armbraces on the other hand has a very limited use before it becomes useless, never got why this currency go so inflated in the first place.

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No . This will never happen. Because let's not forget that the code governing GW1 is a load of crap, either to modify or to add new content (and it's far from the only game in this case). This is one of the main reasons why development on this game was abandoned, especially after the NF code was implemented in the game (creating band-aids and banning players who accidentally find exploits left in the code is not a viable long-term technique). Far too many bugs and exploits could see the light of day if someone “plays” too much with this code today. So stop dreaming, even if Stephen tries to do something with this rotten code, nothing will change fundamentally speaking, the bots have won and will self-destruct in the process.

If you don't accept the fate of this game today, you'll never accept it, whatever the will of those involved.

Economy can be changed easily if the developer wants, they can effectively make armbraces worthless.

A vendor isn't hard to code, it's literally copy pasting any vendor in the game.

You are disagreeing based on technical issues which aren't even present.

The point is that the changes is to make botting more meaningless.

Lots of talk about bots, I suggest the following 4 step plan:

Step 1: Hire some cheap dude to work 1 hour a week (or find 1hour in somebody's schedule) or ill gladly do it for free
Step 2: Instruct them to use said hour a week to run around towns (a short list can be made cause we know where they are) and identify bots
Step 3: Get Dhuum to swing his scythe on identified bots
Step 4: Give support some work to do from the very tiny amount of false positives you are going to generate from steps 1-3

Within a couple weeks of this a huge portion of bots are gone and the incentive to reestablish lost bots is almost 0 because there is quick and definitive consequences. You might even get most of this outcome just from an announcement of the policy / even 1 hour a month will likely achieve the same thing. If you know your bot is only going to last 30 days before you have to buy another do you really still decide to do it?
Yes very determined people will continue the practice and yes lots of bots don't frequently zone in an out of a town and they wont be so easy to detect but its a super easy, low tech and cheap solution to the bulk of the problem.
Clearly Anet don't want to stop bots on a large scale otherwise they would because its really not hard, expensive or time consuming.

The consequences of stopping bots in a big way is another matter which I have purposely ignored. Simply putting my opinion out there about you can stop them if you wanted.

Quote from PyroLobster

Lots of talk about bots, I suggest the following 4 step plan:

Step 1: Hire some cheap dude to work 1 hour a week (or find 1hour in somebody's schedule) or ill gladly do it for free
Step 2: Instruct them to use said hour a week to run around towns (a short list can be made cause we know where they are) and identify bots
Step 3: Get Dhuum to swing his scythe on identified bots
Step 4: Give support some work to do from the very tiny amount of false positives you are going to generate from steps 1-3

Within a couple weeks of this a huge portion of bots are gone and the incentive to reestablish lost bots is almost 0 because there is quick and definitive consequences. You might even get most of this outcome just from an announcement of the policy / even 1 hour a month will likely achieve the same thing. If you know your bot is only going to last 30 days before you have to buy another do you really still decide to do it?
Yes very determined people will continue the practice and yes lots of bots don't frequently zone in an out of a town and they wont be so easy to detect but its a super easy, low tech and cheap solution to the bulk of the problem.
Clearly Anet don't want to stop bots on a large scale otherwise they would because its really not hard, expensive or time consuming.

The consequences of stopping bots in a big way is another matter which I have purposely ignored. Simply putting my opinion out there about you can stop them if you wanted.

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It's not going to make them any money, so why do it? Are you going to tell them how to work for free and justify this cost, which doesn't earn the company anything? I don't think so, they can invest that money and manpower elsewhere. Then i don't quite agree that it's “easy” - far from it. Either detection is automatic and, what's more, “gentle”. Or it's human and (too) arbitrary. And even if you had superpowers, like Xavier in the X-Men, and could know who to ban for life, those who have been using bots for a long time will still have a potential wealth that a “normal” player will never be able to reach.

No, it's definitely their ascension that needed to be stopped, over 10 years ago, today it's dead.

The practical implementation is easy as I outlined and yes it only solves the specific problem of bots existing. That's all I'm saying.
It doesn't make them money. It doesn't remedy the economic imbalance that has been created by bots. It doesn't solve anything other than them existing.

You don't need super powers to identify bots. You need eyes and about 65IQ to get 99.9% accuracy and then let support deal with the 0.1%. From the recent polices of adding without asking 2fa to accounts clearly anet don't give a single solitary fuck about causing problems for support or indeed preventing innocent people playing if its obstructs what they want to implement.

I agree though, the problem has gone on for so long many of its effects are now very difficult if not impossible to undo. However surely better late than never applies here?

Backend/internal changes -> flag sketchy accounts -> add policy clarification to Arenanet’s code of conduct weeks later -> banwave 😎

But if you look at JQ. From what i heard 1 tilted botter and the whole army is down

Quote from Iaerah

But, what I expect is that Armbraces are just going to be ignored, and if something new in terms of rewards eventually do get added, they will use new materials and items instead that are better protected against botting.
Protecting a game against botting is a losing battle, unless you are fighting against it constantly, you'll never win. And that's just the reality in any game, with the exception of games where there is no sense or need for botting.

Agreed. Tbh I thought people would have switched to GotT or maybe rocks a while ago. They at least have a restriction on supply and are themselves consumed at a much higher rate than arms.

We shall see, maybe tomorrow anet will add several 0's to bank and the trade limit of platinum, that would be a fun twist.

imo using charcoal instead of armbrace will solve the problem

we could even do a list of charcoal dropped by player, everytime they drop one they will have to register it in the data base a bit like a nft.

What do you guys think ?

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Quote from Blind Was My Fury

imo using charcoal instead of armbrace will solve the problem

*looks at the fact that charcoal can be bought with wooden planks, the most useless material*

Yeah sure let’s go for this and have so much charcoal we can burn the server lol

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imo using charcoal instead of armbrace will solve the problem

*looks at the fact that charcoal can be bought with wooden planks, the most useless material*

win-win, we get another new currency and Foresta 's avatar gets a new meaning

Uw or fow scrolls would also be a nice currency. And then scrap the free entrance week and make a 5k entrance fee.

Are people still playing the game? Kamadan is empty all the time.. There is barely no wts being listed..

One of the things I prefer in GW1 is the low level of different currencies. The constant adding of new currencies in GW2 is one of the things that brought me full circle to the original.

I'd be shocked if they planned any substantial changes to GW1, not with GW3 in development.Maybe some 20th anniversary tweaks, some already mentioned, raise plat level in chest, ability to un customize weapons, and one I'd like to see, bonus Fire Imp usable at level 20.

Quote from Iaerah

I would much prefer to see that effort go into improving the game.

Banning bots IS improving the game.

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Quote from Iaerah

I would much prefer to see that effort go into improving the game.

Banning bots (banning them instead of abandoning the game, 10 years ago) IS improving the game (now it's too late, the damage is done).

The only way to counter the bots would have been not to lose most of the community, as they would then be drowned in the mass. End of story.

Every banned bot is a win.