What is a PC? Philosophy to calm everyone down - hopefully :)

  • Pc should be fair to both sides,look at EK's q8 15^50 katana,it has 115a offer atm and EK is too greedy, he wants more. he probably wants 250a for it knowing how greedy people are in this game. No wonder the economy is screwed when there is people like that reselling everything. I bought my q8 15^50 katana in 2016 for 1200e I belive,and not more than 2years later people want 100-200a for a q8 weap that was pc'd for 200-500e in 2015/2016.

    It is stupid to talk about greed when everyone including you do that, youve got offers on ur gloom shield example multiple times higher then what u paid and u wont sell it for any less then price u expect because of greed, even if the current price many could call high, same happened before when you asked for year multiple times more then other ppl for that q9 20/20 Illu Twinserpent and q10 20/20 Heal plat staff just because of greed, u couldve sold them for fair price multiple times...


    Act urself 1st before ask others do someting.. This applies to everyone i dont see any collector sell their q8 items "for fair price" but everyone asking even higher then price checks given..


    If Ppl would start selling items straight with some "Fair B/o" maybe price checks would move to that direction too, but everyone only selling auctions waiting for high prices and even after high C/os ppl put even higher r/bs and B/os thats what drives those prices up..

    Edited once, last by Pleikki ().

  • It’s worth adding here that these ridiculous (“greedy”) prices are facilitated by the cheaty bots which have flooded our economy with currency and caused this hyper-inflation in the first place. Greed can only be fed if the currency is there to fulfil it. Without bazillions of botted and purchased armbraces in circulation, the greedy prices cannot be met, and the greed would be kept in check, and prices would be more realistic.


    These artificially or “greedy” prices are a symptom of a much larger problem. And it’s the same problem that makes price checking such a thorny subject in GW2k18. And it’s why I retired. I predicted this in about 2013-4 ish.

    "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars" - Oscar Wilde

  • Yeah exacly, being greedy is only way to survive in the current market without cheats, it might drive prices up but its not the start of the problem.


    I wanna go back to earlier subject about whats bad and what not and say one point that ive realised.

    Scale of prices staid same even after all these years.


    Lets compare that white q7 and random q8 15^50 weapon


    2006-2007, white was 100k, q8 15^50 was 30-50e,

    2013-2014, white was 100-200e, q8 15^50 500-600e

    2017-2018 white weapon is 20a, q8 15^50 100a.


    everything goes up equally much over the years.. maybe ppl didnt notice the "bad" items before when their prices didnt seem marginally high, but truthfully in scale to other items they allways been "as much"


    -Pleikki

  • No one collected whites in 2006 - 2007. I was playing at that time and I cant remember seeing whites for sale or on collector thread on guru. Which just makes belive you are making this up to justfiy the prices.

    So if the q8 15^50 weaps were priced 500-600e in 2013 -2014 why is is that the prices were 200-300e in 2015 - 2016 ???

  • No one collected whites in 2006 - 2007. I was playing at that time and I cant remember seeing whites for sale or on collector thread on guru. Which just makes belive you are making this up to justfiy the prices.

    So if the q8 15^50 weaps were priced 500-600e in 2013 -2014 why is is that the prices were 200-300e in 2015 - 2016 ???

    Its simply cus you didnt pay attension to items like that, ive allways seen market for them and ppl collecting cus ive paid attension to items like that, simple as that lol, There were some collectors with alot clean q7s and whites on collectors thread too such as "Dimmuborgir satan" back in day.. but its understandable ppl dont pay attension to items like that.. or even Zephyr in later years of guru


    well ye maybe the year on that middle should be 2014-2016 rather then 2013-2014, years go by so quickly, but in 2015 q7 whites sold for 250e per i do remmeber that rather easy^^

  • It is stupid to talk about greed when everyone including you do that, youve got offers on ur gloom shield example multiple times higher then what u paid and u wont sell it for any less then price u expect because of greed, even if the current price many could call high, same happened before when you asked for year multiple times more then other ppl for that q9 20/20 Illu Twinserpent and q10 20/20 Heal plat staff just because of greed, u couldve sold them for fair price multiple times...


    Act urself 1st before ask others do someting.. This applies to everyone i dont see any collector sell their q8 items "for fair price" but everyone asking even higher then price checks given..


    If Ppl would start selling items straight with some "Fair B/o" maybe price checks would move to that direction too, but everyone only selling auctions waiting for high prices and even after high C/os ppl put even higher r/bs and B/os thats what drives those prices up..

    I know,I'm greedy in that regard when it comes to that 1 item I had for sale,but I dont do that with every item I have sold and I dont sell to resell like many are doing. in case you forgot it was you who pc'd the gloom shield for me. I never intentionally bought the gloom shield for selling it later.

    The twin serpent staffs I bought for too much of 500e at that time,I ended up using it,but later found some better skinned staffs so I sold for less than I spent for it. Both staffs at 500e each was a impulse buy because of that 1 guy,and that was not of greedy.The heal q10 plat staff was for me for my collection and when I found the better version I sold the q10. And at that time people werent heavily botted plat staffs.

    And I actually did sell the twin serpent and plat heal q10 fair priced.


    q8 gold items with good mods is not the same thing as blue fellblades or white fellblades.

  • Its simply cus you didnt pay attension to items like that, ive allways seen market for them and ppl collecting cus ive paid attension to items like that, simple as that lol, There were some collectors with alot clean q7s and whites on collectors thread too such as "Dimmuborgir satan" back in day.. but its understandable ppl dont pay attension to items like that.. or even Zephyr in later years of guru


    well ye maybe the year on that middle should be 2014-2016 rather then 2013-2014, years go by so quickly, but in 2015 q7 whites sold for 250e per i do remmeber that rather easy^^

    But who seriously did pay attention do that in 05 and 06???

    Just because you remember 1 guy who randomly collects whites doesnt mean its a market for it.

    I cant see I saw anyone selling in 2015 for q7 whites in kamadan, and I was there nonstop for a long long time every day,but that was from the summer so I cant speak of the first half of 2015. Beside, prices for whites today is just stupid.Ive seen you pc q8 unperf gold items less than a white fellblade is worth. That doesnt make sense.

  • But who seriously did pay attention do that in 05 and 06???

    Just because you remember 1 guy who randomly collects whites doesnt mean its a market for it.

    I cant see I saw anyone selling in 2015 for q7 whites in kamadan, and I was there nonstop for a long long time every day,but that was from the summer so I cant speak of the first half of 2015. Beside, prices for whites today is just stupid.Ive seen you pc q8 unperf gold items less than a white fellblade is worth. That doesnt make sense.

    Its because u dont understand the market of prenerfs, especially q7 items.

    I do remember white q7s in kama, Many oniblades and gothic swords and weapons i wanted to buy, offered hundreds ectos for many years ago but their owners were too keen to sell them, yet they casually spammed them in kamadan, there have been many in guru too. white q7 Gothic defenders sold for hundreds ectos years ago and so on...


    Ppl who collected q7 items paid attension, many skins like the fellblade dont excist purple or gold(in q7), so only possibility is white/blue making blue q7 fellblade best of its kind, thats reason some shield thats worst of its kind aint worth same as someting thats best of its kind.

  • Its because u dont understand the market of prenerfs, especially q7 items.

    I do remember white q7s in kama, Many oniblades and gothic swords and weapons i wanted to buy, offered hundreds ectos for many years ago but their owners were too keen to sell them, yet they casually spammed them in kamadan, there have been many in guru too. white q7 Gothic defenders sold for hundreds ectos years ago and so on...


    Ppl who collected q7 items paid attension, many skins like the fellblade dont excist purple or gold, so only possibility is white/blue making blue q7 fellblade best of its kind, thats reason some shield thats worst of its kind aint worth same as someting thats best of its kind.

    You are right,I dont understand the market for white or blue,grape pre nerfs. But gold I understand. Yet I dont collect unperf gold pre nerf weapons.

    When it comes to whites I will always see them as the worst of its kind because to me whites are merch no matter the q.

  • it's like this everywhere, people with collector items or items in general want to flip the market to make profit (it's the idea of trading)


    But acting as a fatalist and being like everything got inflated because bots are everywhere.

    If bots were that obnixious armbrace price would drop rather than go up and down every week.


    It's simply supply and demand.


    For instance, I don't mind paying 60-70a for a gold os crysta even tho those got sold last year for like half the price, that's because I like them and I want them.

  • Prices are actually inflated because of bots, a stack of armbraces would make u 1 of the richest persons 8+ years ago, a stack of armbraces = chump change in this day and age.


    I use to buy req8 15^50s for 10-20e only 6-8 years ago, now look at the prices you see on Sell.


    Inflation and botting do affect the prices of most OS collector items but certainly not most of the obscure categories like blues or whites unless its an extremely rare special case.