Guild Wars Reforged

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I hope they open Piken Square up in presearing to existing characters. The new Piken outpost in presearing is in an ideal location to run outside and immediately begin killing in the northlands... would really prefer for my existing characters in pre to be able to access that. I don't see a great reason to make it exclusive to the new "reforged" characters. "reforged characters" getting more xp and gold, against foes that have lower hp and armor (again, for "reforged" characters only), also seems like a dumb idea. Pre is already a breeze if you don't pull too large of a group at once. In addition, the 4 player party mode makes it even easier. I'm confused by the thought process here, even though updates are exciting and show continued dedication to the classic GW1 servers.

I tried to go there with a non-reforged character in the group, but that's not available... (No portal appears for the outpost, including the sign)

I managed to get there with my level 1 character after dying and seeing Dhumm finish me off, then respawning and heading straight for the outpost entrance.

Edit: same after unlock outpost (and the monsters are also not the same if there are only reforged characters in the group) ->

It's a great location for starting a northlands run from. I just hope they open piken square up to existing characters, after this "alpha" testing mode for reforged, instead of forcing people to restart as a reforged character just to access the best outpost... I tried to get there as well on my existing pre character, and there's no access.

My guess is that when those features come out of alpha/beta, they'll either make the changes to the core Prophecies campaign, or allow you to toggle between one or the other. Would make a lot of sense to me, at least.

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I hope they open Piken Square up in presearing to existing characters. The new Piken outpost in presearing is in an ideal location to run outside and immediately begin killing in the northlands... would really prefer for my existing characters in pre to be able to access that. I don't see a great reason to make it exclusive to the new "reforged" characters. "reforged characters" getting more xp and gold, against foes that have lower hp and armor (again, for "reforged" characters only), also seems like a dumb idea. Pre is already a breeze if you don't pull too large of a group at once. In addition, the 4 player party mode makes it even easier. I'm confused by the thought process here, even though updates are exciting and show continued dedication to the classic GW1 servers.

Will be interesting to see if it's truly for reforged chars or if they retro it later. If it's only reforged only thing that comes to mind atm would be to push char slots or the full game via new players idk?

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I hope they open Piken Square up in presearing to existing characters. The new Piken outpost in presearing is in an ideal location to run outside and immediately begin killing in the northlands... would really prefer for my existing characters in pre to be able to access that. I don't see a great reason to make it exclusive to the new "reforged" characters. "reforged characters" getting more xp and gold, against foes that have lower hp and armor (again, for "reforged" characters only), also seems like a dumb idea. Pre is already a breeze if you don't pull too large of a group at once. In addition, the 4 player party mode makes it even easier. I'm confused by the thought process here, even though updates are exciting and show continued dedication to the classic GW1 servers.

i find that making the game easier (presumably for the GW2 crowd) has been THE theme in recent years. busted pve elite skills, the pve only +5 attribute weapon upgrades... this reforged mode just fits right in line

One more thing about Piken Square.

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Piken Square will be accessible as an outpost for Reforged Mode players in pre-Searing Ascalon - but you'll have to fight your way there.

Okay, so with a level 1 character with no skills, I managed to reach it, and once you get there, there's nothing special, just an outpost... Why limit it to reforged characters? That's strange. When I read the update, I thought it would be something like an arena or an epic battle to unlock it.

yep ran there without dying on a level 1 with no skills immediately.. lol

did i miss this during aprils fools or is this new?

i'm pretty sure that's been there for the past 20 years lmao

I feel robbed for not getting that Dhuum-Badge for my recent deathless Gwamm 🥲

Plus I just started the 2nd like one week ago and have done too many things to delete and restart.

Would be sick if Anet could make this thing retroactive (one can dream..)

P.S.: Not really salty. Updates to my feel good game are welcome 🥰

i'M sOoO uPsEt, rEfOrGeD dId'Nt aDd AnY mEaNiNgFuL cOnTeNt...

...oh, wait

I think that a level 1 with: Reforged Mode + Dhuum's Covenant + Tyrian Grandmaster Cartographer (and incidentally I'am Very Important (3) could be interesting to do

Edit: Before creating a character, remember that only those native to Tyria will have Reforged Mode available. And given the advantages, there will be no difference in areas outside Prophecies. Wait and see for other campaigns after alpha mode?

We can also deduce that non-reforged characters will live forever in the past, compared to the content of instanced zones. As mentioned in the update:

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For multiplayer parties, all players have to be in Reforged Mode to experience Reforged Mode content and balance changes. Mixed parties will see the standard content.

Asheford Abby had a 2nd district open.

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If they would have launched this as the Reforged update, the hype levels would be through the roof.

It's true that those who returned two weeks ago can delete their characters and start over (?) And all our old characters will be stuck in “the old instances,” forced to recreate PvE characters to play in reforged mode with the new instances (see my last post above).

I found a small bug. If you select a login screen background other than Prophecies, then rotate around the character and then select the Prophecies login background, this is the result:

Edit: not the only one posted on Reddit two hours ago rofl

Would be cool if they made Reforged mode like Ladder (in Diablo 2)
[Disclaimer: This is just wish list... not actual content]

• Reforged mode has exclusive content
• Reforged characters can only party or trade with other Reforged characters
• Have an official post honoring the most titles earned in Reforged mode (top 100 characters)
• Every 3 months or so, existing Reforged characters all become normal characters
  (and another season begins)

Even without exclusive content, I can see this becoming very interesting
Can also make a Reforged-Deathless ranking list, like Hard-core Ladder

well might be they get rolled higher numbers of gold and thus trigger afc harder leading to them effectively getting less lol. I might think it is 50/50 how it came out, doubt they took afc into consideration and just implemented the factor. so either it was placed at generation or at the very end after afc.

for the partysize 4 it won't change anything for existing gameplay, but newcomers may be more encouraged to team up and tackle northlands earlier and with less thought.

love piken acces and very much hope for it to be accessible on existing toons soon!

and damn! the char select screen from proph

Pre lost so much of its charm when reaching level 20 became easy.

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Pre lost so much of its charm when reaching level 20 became easy.

Yeah, most titles lost charm with buffs.. Drunkard, Survivor, treasure hunter and wisdom..

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I do not understand Anet saying they respect their long term players and then screwing them over again.

Yes, I am still salty that they took the title only about 100 of us bothered to get and made it thousand times easier with no recognition for those that did it the hard way.

Now they make changes but those of us who have been in Pre for 20 years arn't included!

What's the point of a game that is too easy or where your achievements are devalued regularly?

(I am very happy the original login screens)

They do respect the long term players, that's why it's an opt in option.

And you are included, you just need to make a new character like everyone else.

Not really sure what achievement is devalued, LDoA is easy to get and death leveling is just a waste of time so congrats?

My only question about the batches is; what about account wide titles? will they also receive batches if u start fresh?

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My only question about the batches is; what about account wide titles? will they also receive batches if u start fresh?

I don't see badges on my character for account wide titles. I expect those might only get badges if you go up a rank in those if it happens while you are playing on a character with badges?

Well yeah thats what i am kinda after, if u start fresh account will u get them, for older accs i dont think u can get them. Id like to see first dhuum max treasure hunter!

The new guy in Piken Square says a "lost settlement" is coming Hype!
(These are all their sayings, for now)

I don't know about you, but Guild Wars is the only game where I've kept and developed my progress for years, almost 20 years now. In all other video games, at worst I start a new game, no big deal. Let's not be hypocritical, even if Guild Wars isn't the center of our existence, over such a long period of time, if for any reason I could no longer access the game, it would make me a little sad and above all nostalgic. But that's life.

Now, regardless of your opinion, mine is that I think this reforged evolution bad omen.

First, the announcement of Reforged. Okay, you don't have to buy anything if you already have an account, it's not a remastered version, nor a vanilla version, etc. Cool! How could I complain about such news? Honestly.

Then, since yesterday, things have changed. I'll recap the process since the announcement -> Reforged is a free update for those who already own the game. You can buy Reforged in the store. This version does not include Eyes of the North, because the Reforged content will be available for characters newly created from a campaign (which is not the case with EOTN), giving advantages for each campaign that the Reforged character is native to (and more for the future?).

If you don't group exclusively with reforged characters, the new content won't be available. Even if it's just an empty outpost. If you have main characters that you care about, you'll have to redo everything you've already done, just for this new content (which is minimal, at least for now...). At the same time, to compensate and go old school, they let you change the background of the login screen. A screen where you can spend hours admiring your frustration and that of your old and admirable characters, excluded from all this.

But hey, the icons next to the character are the best of the best, right? You can really show off, like, hey, did you see that? Did you see that? Hey, hey! So cool, I have the icons! Holy shit, I'm a star! Oh shit, you created your character two weeks ago? Too old!

Between us, I don't like the direction this is going at all. The more elements they add, the wider the gap will become.

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I don't see badges on my character for account wide titles. I expect those might only get badges if you go up a rank in those if it happens while you are playing on a character with badges?

Well yeah thats what i am kinda after, if u start fresh account will u get them, for older accs i dont think u can get them. Id like to see first dhuum max treasure hunter!

Logically, only personal titles will be affected.

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I expect that once they decide it is stable, that you might enroll as Reforged character for existing characters.

I absolutely do not think so.

- Instead of doing a true remastered version, a vanilla version, or outright opening a new server, their system is more economical. It's a simple option during character creation that determines it.

- If this were to exist for existing characters, it would be a option. A definitive option. An option that you constantly check or uncheck would make no sense. So it would automatically be on for everyone today, period. Simply owning GW1 would be enough. No need to check an option during character creation. The same goes for titles, since we're talking about them right now. If account titles don't have associated symbols, it's because only the character is reforged, not the account.

- And ultimately, if all characters will have access to the new content one day, why display the icons in alpha testing only for newly created characters? To indicate that they are testers? No, the icons will remain and will be part of Reforged to differentiate characters that have been created and have access to Reforged.

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I do not understand Anet saying they respect their long term players and then screwing them over again.

Yes, I am still salty that they took the title only about 100 of us bothered to get and made it thousand times easier with no recognition for those that did it the hard way.

Now they make changes but those of us who have been in Pre for 20 years arn't included!

What's the point of a game that is too easy or where your achievements are devalued regularly?

(I am very happy the original login screens)

anet could have just given all players that did it after the easy mode update the title "Defender of Ascalon" and omit the "Legendary" part. and then make these 2 distinct titles that still count the same in the HoM. all the trivializations of titles were just to make them easier to get for the HoM and indirectly for GW2 players anyway (the big running theme).

hell, given their most recent 'hardcore' tendencies with the Dhuum mode, couldn't anet just introduce a distinction between casual presearing lvl 20 as it is now, and an oldschool mode that requires deathleveling again? the only downside is that by now out of the existing lvl20s they probably cant tell apart who did it which way, so the OGs are still screwed over

It's in beta mode, like gw2 you need to make a new character to play the beta.

Will it be made permanent for existing characters? I'd assume so and once it is out of beta the reforged icon will disappear.

The goal seems to be to make prophecies a bit more beginner friendly, especially pre searing, so that's probably why you need to create a new character to experience the tutorial area from level 1 and give them more data points.

Yes presearing is easy for 99% of people on this forum but we have played the game for 20 years, clearly they see data that new players struggle.

And ofcourse it sucks that some people have already done deathless gwamm and won't have the dhuum icon (might change) but you still have the achievement of completing that challenge anyway, a random icon doesn't change that.

And in the worst case scenario of reforged always being separate from our old characters then either make a new character and try the new stuff or just play your old character and nothing is lost.

I think the way they are doing it is good, they can test the waters with beta characters without changing the base game incase the changes are seen negatively.

In terms of communication, it is unclear on their part not to communicate with the community during an update like yesterday's and to clarify to players whether or not the icons will remain on the characters created. Whether or not creating a character with this option will remain available after the beta (because let's not forget that if they also apply it to old characters, it couldn't be done using this option during creation, so it wouldn't exist today or tomorrow(?). Whether or not the content will then be open to everyone, without distinction after beta. Etc.

In short, Anet, what are you waiting for? You managed to sync an IGN article with screenshots, info, etc., on the day Reforged was announced, but now nothing?

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I hope they open Piken Square up in presearing to existing characters. The new Piken outpost in presearing is in an ideal location to run outside and immediately begin killing in the northlands... would really prefer for my existing characters in pre to be able to access that. I don't see a great reason to make it exclusive to the new "reforged" characters. "reforged characters" getting more xp and gold, against foes that have lower hp and armor (again, for "reforged" characters only), also seems like a dumb idea. Pre is already a breeze if you don't pull too large of a group at once. In addition, the 4 player party mode makes it even easier. I'm confused by the thought process here, even though updates are exciting and show continued dedication to the classic GW1 servers.

it's because they're still trying things out. it's in ALPHA. they're being cautious to avoid making sweeping changes that might impact and upset part of the playerbase.

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did i miss this during aprils fools or is this new?

that looks like english but prononced by an indian

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In terms of communication, it is unclear on their part not to communicate with the community during an update like yesterday's and to clarify to players whether or not the icons will remain on the characters created. Whether or not creating a character with this option will remain available after the beta (because let's not forget that if they also apply it to old characters, it couldn't be done using this option during creation, so it wouldn't exist today or tomorrow(?). Whether or not the content will then be open to everyone, without distinction after beta. Etc.

In short, Anet, what are you waiting for? You managed to sync an IGN article with screenshots, info, etc., on the day Reforged was announced, but now nothing?

Unfortunately anet has always been poor at communicating, especially in the gw2 era

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I expect that once they decide it is stable, that you might enroll as Reforged character for existing characters.

I absolutely do not think so.

- Instead of doing a true remastered version, a vanilla version, or outright opening a new server, their system is more economical. It's a simple option during character creation that determines it.

- If this were to exist for existing characters, it would be a option. A definitive option. An option that you constantly check or uncheck would make no sense. So it would automatically be on for everyone today, period. Simply owning GW1 would be enough. No need to check an option during character creation. The same goes for titles, since we're talking about them right now. If account titles don't have associated symbols, it's because only the character is reforged, not the account.

- And ultimately, if all characters will have access to the new content one day, why display the icons in alpha testing only for newly created characters? To indicate that they are testers? No, the icons will remain and will be part of Reforged to differentiate characters that have been created and have access to Reforged.

Do you ever stop complaining? Free content is added in a 20 years old game and is available in ALPHA and BETA and you cry about it. All you do is pulling stories out of your ass as if you have direct contact with the devs and know their future plans.
Tell me youre a Bünzli without telling me you're a Bünzli..

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Do you ever stop complaining? Free content is added in a 20 years old game and is available in ALPHA and BETA and you cry about it. All you do is pulling stories out of your ass as if you have direct contact with the devs and know their future plans.
Tell me youre a Bünzli without telling me you're a Bünzli..

It's a debate, and everyone is entitled to express their opinion. And given the tone of your message, if it makes you react, get angry, so much the better

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Do you ever stop complaining? Free content is added in a 20 years old game and is available in ALPHA and BETA and you cry about it. All you do is pulling stories out of your ass as if you have direct contact with the devs and know their future plans.
Tell me youre a Bünzli without telling me you're a Bünzli..

It's a debate, and everyone is entitled to express their opinion. And given the tone of your message, if it makes you react, get angry, so much the better

I’m not angry you’re just what’s wrong with our country

An entitled brat so called Bünzli

A debate without any foundation isn’t a debate sorry.. I know stupidity is rampant but try not to spread yours.