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How Do You Trade/Sell Names In A Secure Manner?
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use a trusted mod like for most things that you can't trade in a single trade window. buyer gives arms to mod, seller coordinates name transfer with mod, mod completes the transaction on both sides for tip or fixed % of the trade arm total.
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yes, when done properly you can transfer a name to a new account in 1 hour.
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100% 1 hour every time when done properly yes.
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k 2nd question. What if the buyer takes the name after an hour on one of their alt accounts and says they never got the name? would the mod pay the buyer or give back to the seller?
Id say if trade mod offers safe manner, he should pay out of his pocket in this case as guarantee or offer different way to do it.
I guess one option would be that the trade mod has extra account just for this, he lets the buyer have access on the particular account (with char named what ever hes buying) and him only to delete old char and make new on other account, it could be agreed that after the char is deleted the buyer has gotten the name (at little risk)
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Same goes for the seller taking it on an alt before the buyer can I guess….
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There’s no safe manner. I and many other can just make a tiny piece of software that tries to constantly register the username until they get. I could do it for Balthazar since it’s currently sitting at 600a lol. And given how servers are handling the thing, all you need is to have the account creating the name on char select and just an auto clicker on the create button(so no code involved) at the end of the screen would work. Then you just let it run for days or whenever they will do the transaction. Given some people run bots 24/7 I don’t see why they would not just do this since it’s already estimated by the bids.
Ps: I hope whoever wasted their time to log in on release, just to reserve names to sell, not to sell any. -
There’s no safe manner. I and many other can just make a tiny piece of software that tries to constantly register the username until they get. I could do it for Balthazar since it’s currently sitting at 600a lol. And given how servers are handling the thing, all you need is to have the account creating the name on char select and just an auto clicker on the create button at the end of the screen would work. Then you just let it run for days or whenever they will do the transaction.
I thought they have anti spam against this? I tried to add a name as a friend, then delete, add again 5 times in a row and then I got network error and couldn’t add it again until I logged out.
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There’s no safe manner. I and many other can just make a tiny piece of software that tries to constantly register the username until they get. I could do it for Balthazar since it’s currently sitting at 600a lol. And given how servers are handling the thing, all you need is to have the account creating the name on char select and just an auto clicker on the create button at the end of the screen would work. Then you just let it run for days or whenever they will do the transaction.
I thought they have anti spam against this? I tried to add a name as a friend, then delete, add again 5 times in a row and then I got network error and couldn’t add it again until I logged out. People run hundreds of bots in parallel, they can do it for that too
probably the same on char creation?I can give you technical details.Then have X accounts with a sufficient enough interval in between requests and have that small script that even free gpt model can give you in bash, do it in alternating manner. Hell if you have 6 accounts you can probably even do it in parallel with say 2 account/interval or if you want a constant flux, just run them sequentially
It’s just a clicker at the end.
Sounds so cringe to jump on an update that introduces names just to gatekeep them for virtual cash 🤢
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Yeah true, I forgot people have more than one account
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yup
id love to know how the mods on here authorised the sale of names and how its guaranteed. any mods care to explain?
i do have names id sell, but idk how it can ever be "safe"It is the same as any other sale/trade in-game. No sales are guaranteed by Legacy it is all between the buyer and seller in-game and for them to work out.
As has been mentioned here, there's no simple way to trade character names. Probably why it's never come up before one word names were introduced.
Anything that is not traded through one action of Trade Window has a risk to go 'wrong'.
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i completely disagree, its completely different to actual items. You use a trade mod, you give your item, buyer gives cash, they swap, done. theres a plethora of things to go wrong on a name sale, and yet youve allowed it. Idk how you can allow someone in the marketplace to say its safe and secure. we all know it isnt
I know what you're saying, for the purpose of Legacy Xunlai Market it's looked at as one in-game "thing" for another in-game "thing".
Same as selling a Guild? Trim Service? Pre-Post Trade?
These things have been around for a long time. It's completely up to the traders themselves to take the risks.
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This opportunism surrounding the sale of names is a total joke, whether the sale follows the rules or not. It's pathetic.
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Nothing is stopping a trade moderator from doing the same thing, taking your items and armbraces. "Little to zero risk" doesn't exist, you're just hoping the trade moderator isn't having a bad day. Just like Bsoltan said, anything that requires two trades is always at the traders risk and it always has been. You are free to take the risk or not and participate in those sales or not.
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My personal opinion is that everyone is free to NOT pay anyone for a name and that is the right choice.
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It is the same as any other sale/trade in-game. No sales are guaranteed by Legacy it is all between the buyer and seller in-game and for them to work out.
As has been mentioned here, there's no simple way to trade character names. Probably why it's never come up before one word names were introduced.
Anything that is not traded through one action of Trade Window has a risk to go 'wrong'.
Nothing is stopping a trade moderator from doing the same thing, taking your items and armbraces. "Little to zero risk" doesn't exist, you're just hoping the trade moderator isn't having a bad day. Just like Bsoltan said, anything that requires two trades is always at the traders risk and it always has been. You are free to take the risk or not and participate in those sales or not.
except the sale of names has a risk that is completely different to selling a guild with a trusted third party. there are no random unknown accounts that can interfere with a guild sale with 2 parties plus 1 middleman. if somebody tries to steal something there is a loss of reputation because it can all be seen.
somebody could be creating a new character with a name thats being sold at just the right moment, without knowing of that sale. he has not made a deal with either party, does not owe anybody the name. sure it is an unlikely hypothetical scenario but its exists.
ANY account can take a name if the time is just right, people have brought up valid concerns above that can't be sufficiently explained away.
now take into account the amount of arms being thrown around for names, this is just begging for scam attempts AND people trying to snag names with good timing and possibly automated methods.
allowing this was poor judgment in the first place, the fact that it is 'allowed' gives these trades a seeming level of legitimacy that nobody can actually guarantee. so as soon as something goes wrong it makes legacy look bad. and even if there are no Terms of Service that could somehow be interpreted to forbid this (which i have not checked), i highly doubt that Anet likes to see this, given their history of making everything more accessible and less exclusive/expensive.
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My personal opinion is that everyone is free to NOT pay anyone for a name and that is the right choice.
Paying for these names is really just a lack of originality and imagination. In the sense that they’re common names and the first ones to be chosen by the majority of players after the update.
It’s a bit like naming your dog: The Dog. It’s much more original to come up with names that aren’t on those sales lists.
Now, when you see these names in the game, you can tell yourself there’s a 50/50 chance the player paid for it, and your respect for them will drop significantly (kind of like the HA title at max rank).
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It is the same as any other sale/trade in-game. No sales are guaranteed by Legacy it is all between the buyer and seller in-game and for them to work out.
As has been mentioned here, there's no simple way to trade character names. Probably why it's never come up before one word names were introduced.
Anything that is not traded through one action of Trade Window has a risk to go 'wrong'.
Nothing is stopping a trade moderator from doing the same thing, taking your items and armbraces. "Little to zero risk" doesn't exist, you're just hoping the trade moderator isn't having a bad day. Just like Bsoltan said, anything that requires two trades is always at the traders risk and it always has been. You are free to take the risk or not and participate in those sales or not.
except the sale of names has a risk that is completely different to selling a guild with a trusted third party. there are no random unknown accounts that can interfere with a guild sale with 2 parties plus 1 middleman. if somebody tries to steal something there is a loss of reputation because it can all be seen.
somebody could be creating a new character with a name thats being sold at just the right moment, without knowing of that sale. he has not made a deal with either party, does not owe anybody the name. sure it is an unlikely hypothetical scenario but its exists.
ANY account can take a name if the time is just right, people have brought up valid concerns above that can't be sufficiently explained away.
now take into account the amount of arms being thrown around for names, this is just begging for scam attempts AND people trying to snag names with good timing and possibly automated methods.
allowing this was poor judgment in the first place, the fact that it is 'allowed' gives these trades a seeming level of legitimacy that nobody can actually guarantee. so as soon as something goes wrong it makes legacy look bad. and even if there are no Terms of Service that could somehow be interpreted to forbid this (which i have not checked), i highly doubt that Anet likes to see this, given their history of making everything more accessible and less exclusive/expensive.
Anet indeed doesn’t like this as they‘ve banned people that did this in gw2 recently. It was a whole thing in the PvP community that resulted in bans and ppl losing the traded names.
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Anet indeed doesn’t like this as they‘ve banned people that did this in gw2 recently. It was a whole thing in the PvP community that resulted in bans and ppl losing the traded names.
And even knowing that, you're bidding 10a for the name “Earth”?
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Anet indeed doesn’t like this as they‘ve banned people that did this in gw2 recently. It was a whole thing in the PvP community that resulted in bans and ppl losing the traded names.
And even knowing that, you're bidding 10a for the name “Earth”?
Yep the buyers weren’t banned ofc.
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So you’re okay with the fact that your purchase could get someone banned? (and that means you don’t have much respect for that person) Strange.
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allowing this was poor judgment in the first place, the fact that it is 'allowed' gives these trades a seeming level of legitimacy that nobody can actually guarantee. so as soon as something goes wrong it makes legacy look bad. and even if there are no Terms of Service that could somehow be interpreted to forbid this (which i have not checked), i highly doubt that Anet likes to see this, given their history of making everything more accessible and less exclusive/expensive.
ArenaNet has in the past stated that as long as only in game currency is used, they will allow such trades. This is a grey zone at best, and people looking into trading characters names should know this.
There was quite a discussion between our team members to decide our stance on this. In the end, the decision was made to allow this, as long as ArenaNet doesn't change their stance on this. We don't offer any support should things go wrong - but this is always the case. We offer a platform but are unable to intervene in the game itself.
That being said, I felt it is important that trades like this - that are going to happen anyways, whether we allow them or not - have a place to happen on. If we don't allow them, that doesn't mean that trades like this will not occur, they might just move to shadier places.
Legacy is one of the biggest trade platforms for Guild Wars and sometimes that means that we need to offer a place for things that deviate from the base line, like character name trades are.Because, to be honest, I don't really like the idea of selling a character name either, but the decision about allowing such a thing falls on the shoulders of ArenaNet and from all we could gather, they seem to generally be okay with it as long as only in game currency is being used.
If we see - or get a report about it - that real life/non game currency is being used for these trades, we will obviously take action against that.I hope this clarifies our stance on this.
Kevin
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it is worse even: the buyer can scam everyone, the trade mod can scam anonymously, the seller alone can not really scam.
there is no way any outsider could prove, disprove or verify that a name "lost" is with either party. the buyer can just have an alt, take the name there, say d'oh it's taken, doesn't have it on his main. neither the trade mod nor the seller could ever find out if or if not the buyer got it. so the trusted middleman does not help at all, bc all that brings into play is another party that could anonymously steal the thing of value. a 1:1 would be fairer in that the risk were evenly distributed between buyer and seller: both could do at some point during trade make the bitch move of snatching it on an alt and leaving with arms and the name. the situation would be that whoever went first would have the risk. arms first: buyer at risk, name first: seller at risk. it is even. with a trade mod the trusted reputation won't help. he could snatch it himself and still keep his reputation. the buyer could snatch it and the trade mod couldn't verify and would have to hand arms back leaving the seller without the name, the buyer with the name and the scam done in an untrackable way.
but... there is hope: you COULD buy an extra account, put the name on there, use a trade mod to transfer the account, let the buyer link it to their email (in order for the seller bot able to grab back by password reset or other) and the buyer could then at an undisclosed time to anyone else transfer the name to the main acc. that however would violate eula, would be trackable by anet - likely be persued and possibly end in ban of both accs.
so... really consider IF you want to do a name trade and IF you want to include a third party.
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so... really consider IF you want to do a name trade and IF you want to include a third party.
The risks for this are indeed very high, and that is a risk that the buyer and seller need to take into account thoroughly before trying to do such a trade.
We will not be able to help, intervene, vouch or clarify anything that happens due to a character name trade. All risks belong solely to those participating in the trade itself.
This is a very high risk transaction and everybody involved should know this.
We also don't vouch or work together or even list any trade moderators, as this is also a risk you take while doing a transaction.So if you do this, keep in mind, the stakes are high.
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allowing this was poor judgment in the first place, the fact that it is 'allowed' gives these trades a seeming level of legitimacy that nobody can actually guarantee. so as soon as something goes wrong it makes legacy look bad. and even if there are no Terms of Service that could somehow be interpreted to forbid this (which i have not checked), i highly doubt that Anet likes to see this, given their history of making everything more accessible and less exclusive/expensive.
We haven't explicitly allowed anything. These are just people advertising something for trade.
We didn't prevent it, precisely to see what the discussion and likelyhood of trades would be. This thread is interesting insight.
I hadn't considered that trades on Legacy carried any kind of legitimacy. This is just an advertising platform. In my mind posting on Legacy is no different to posting in Trade Chat in-game, it just offers a different format/platform. That's a view point that is worth considering.
My personal opinion is similar to those shared in this thread, but that's less to do with how to trade them and more about player etiquette. Rushing to reserve names to try and profit from them.
Ultimately players can try and sell anything they 'have' in-game. If players don't want to buy it then they won't be able to sell it.
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So you’re okay with the fact that your purchase could get someone banned? (and that means you don’t have much respect for that person) Strange.
Why would I feel bad for someone trying to make money off of names? In gw2’s case they were well aware that it was shady to sell those names so why would I not be okay with them taking a risk when they knew of it and it’s their choice? You are so bitter you don’t even make sense, seems like you missed out and now you are hating. Otherwise miss me with that attitude please.
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That being said, I felt it is important that trades like this - that are going to happen anyways, whether we allow them or not - have a place to happen on. If we don't allow them, that doesn't mean that trades like this will not occur, they might just move to shadier places.
maybe they should move to shadier places
it is worse even: the buyer can scam everyone, the trade mod can scam anonymously, the seller alone can not really scam.
the seller could use an alt account too to grab his own name again no?
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the seller could use an alt account too to grab his own name again no?
yeah, but he could only get his name back so he wouldn't win. arms would be with trade mod and returned to buyer because the afore agreed upon service hasn't reached the buyer.
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the seller could use an alt account too to grab his own name again no?
yeah, but he could only get his name back so he wouldn't win. arms would be with trade mod and returned to buyer because the afore agreed upon service hasn't reached the buyer.
ok true, if we take a 3rd party for granted.
the seller could get his own name back and then accuse the buyer of stealing it on an alt, and thus demand the money anyway and the trade mod could not know who has it. it is a whole can of worms...
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We haven't explicitly allowed anything. These are just people advertising something for trade.
We didn't prevent it [...]
not preventing it is allowing it, even if you dont explicitly state it. thats just arguing semantics at best
I hadn't considered that trades on Legacy carried any kind of legitimacy.
lol
This is just an advertising platform. In my mind posting on Legacy is no different to posting in Trade Chat in-game, it just offers a different format/platform.
i appreciate the laisser-faire libertarian attitude, but i think of Legacy like ebay or other online selling platforms that do tend to have some level of responsibility and don't just allow the sale of anything i.e. drugs. and the equivalent of the ingame chat would be a guy selling drugs on the streets.
its just an easy out and i don't think this would hold under scrutiny, we could probably find things that you would not want advertised if we searched hard enough.
also there are rules that can get you banned on this site, presumably because just posting anything could be a bad look for it.
btw. did guru allow anything?
Ultimately players can try and sell anything they 'have' in-game. If players don't want to buy it then they won't be able to sell it.
'having' the names in-game is already different than having items in the game, thats kinda the whole issue. you have the names on the account level, not on the character level like other things.
if i think this through to the end, selling game keys, accounts or bots could be allowed as well while we're at it
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if i think this through to the end, selling game keys, accounts or bots could be allowed as well while we're at it
Based on what has been said on this topic, there is nothing stopping you from purchasing them with in-game items. However, most are traded for money rather than in-game items.
So you can sell them on Legacy for in-game items.. (?) Keys, account not bots of course.
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Display MoreThis is just an advertising platform. In my mind posting on Legacy is no different to posting in Trade Chat in-game, it just offers a different format/platform.
i appreciate the laisser-faire libertarian attitude, but i think of Legacy like ebay or other online selling platforms that do tend to have some level of responsibility and don't just allow the sale of anything i.e. drugs. and the equivalent of the ingame chat would be a guy selling drugs on the streets.
its just an easy out and i don't think this would hold under scrutiny, we could probably find things that you would not want advertised if we searched hard enough.
also there are rules that can get you banned on this site, presumably because just posting anything could be a bad look for it.
btw. did guru allow anything?
Ultimately players can try and sell anything they 'have' in-game. If players don't want to buy it then they won't be able to sell it.
'having' the names in-game is already different than having items in the game, thats kinda the whole issue. you have the names on the account level, not on the character level like other things.
if i think this through to the end, selling game keys, accounts or bots could be allowed as well while we're at it
There are no terms and conditions, there is no backup for trading via Legacy as Iaerah pointed out. It's literally a place to post an advert. All transaction is between the seller/buyer. Anything else inferred by using Legacy as a trading platform is on the buyer/seller.
I don't know what scrutiny you're looking to hold Legacy to. If someone's trade doesn't go as they want it there is nothing to come back to Legacy for.
This is all explained in the Xunlai Rules. https://guildwarslegacy.com/forum/xunlai-marketplace-rules/
When I talked about items allowed for trade, that was in line with the Xunlai Rules as well. Which has description of the things that are not permitted on Legacy, which covers some of the items you mention. Game keys, accounts, bots.
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if i think this through to the end, selling game keys, accounts or bots could be allowed as well while we're at it
Based on what has been said on this topic, there is nothing stopping you from purchasing them with in-game items. However, most are traded for money rather than in-game items.
So you can sell them on Legacy for in-game items.. (?) Keys, account not bots of course.
No, The Xunlai Rules prohibit the trade of these items on the forum.
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Hmmm...
It's definitely about player etiquette and I would like to thank the players who bought additional character slots/accounts to reserve names for supporting ANet & 2weeks in 'further improvements and development' <cough> of the game.Let's see how many out there are truly trustworthy when it comes to actual trade and transfer of names.
All it takes is a couple of scams...
Personally, I agree with trademeimfamous ... A character name is account based... Are we crossing the line here?
Not really bothered to read through the user agreement but for those who agree to the trading of names, best have a good read...
