Speed Clear and pcon shortage discussion

  • I'd ask if we're going to see a solution to the pcon shortage induced by the ban of bots. Lunars fortunes are currently going for 35e a stack if you're lucky enough to find any, if this persists through easter the entirety of high end pve will literally die within a year. I mean it surely can't be that much effort to implement a pcon vendor to compensate for it, if they don't want pve to die, surely?

  • I'd ask if we're going to see a solution to the pcon shortage induced by the ban of bots. Lunars fortunes are currently going for 35e a stack if you're lucky enough to find any, if this persists through easter the entirety of high end pve will literally die within a year. I mean it surely can't be that much effort to implement a pcon vendor to compensate for it, if they don't want pve to die, surely?

    Considering they sold 20e when ecto was 7k (140plats) and now ecto is 2.5k (making 35e = 87,5plats) i dont see atleast rise in price

  • Considering they sold 20e when ecto was 7k (140plats) and now ecto is 2.5k (making 35e = 87,5plats) i dont see atleast rise in price

    And why did the ectos drop that much in price? That coinincidentally happened exactly with the bots being gone. Not to mention, platinum to ecto rate is utterly irrelevant. Nobody, literally nobody has his money in cash. The average doa player would need what, 20 storage accounts just to keep all that cash?


    Also, last year lunars were literally thrown after you for 10e a stack during and after the event. 20e/stack is the price you see at the end of the year, not at the start.

  • And why did the ectos drop that much in price? That coinincidentally happened exactly with the bots being gone. Not to mention, platinum to ecto rate is utterly irrelevant. Nobody, literally nobody has his money in cash. The average doa player would need what, 20 storage accounts just to keep all that cash?


    Also, last year lunars were literally thrown after you for 10e a stack during and after the event. 20e/stack is the price you see at the end of the year, not at the start.

    Ofc bots have their pros and cons for market, but clearly the market can live without them, its not a big problem. A little more difficult with pvp matches, but if Anet introduces henchie commands to ra\ha\codex\jq etc, then the game will not need bots at all.


    In my opinion updates (at least QOL`s) are much more important then bots question, and first of all we must discuss this issue.
    I hope Kevin will be able to communicate with them, and we will have opportunities to fix bugs and make changes to the game, like Anet allready have done at Bill's expense.

  • Ofc bots have their pros and cons for market, but clearly the market can live without them, its not a big problem.

    Yeah... except for speedclear players who now have to pay more for pcons than they make money. I currently sink roughly 150e into pcons per evening - which used to be more like 30e a year ago. This is not sustainable for high end pve. Not to mention that it takes ages in kamadan to find pcons in the first place - and how in 2 months there probably won't be any lunars left to buy.

  • Yeah... except for speedclear players who now have to pay more for pcons than they make money. I currently sink roughly 150e into pcons per evening - which used to be more like 30e a year ago. This is not sustainable for high end pve. Not to mention that it takes ages in kamadan to find pcons in the first place - and how in 2 months there probably won't be any lunars left to buy.

    Just a question...


    When was the last time you did the festival events and farmed ANY fortunes yourself?


    Blame a lack of bots, but, its really a lack of everyone...

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  • Just a question...


    When was the last time you did the festival events and farmed ANY fortunes yourself?


    Blame a lack of bots, but, its really a lack of everyone...

    obviously the big issue is the lack of players but it was fine because bots used to compensate that , but anet threats his game like it wasnt dead somehow and now economy is fucked and a big community of gw may die because of it

    EDIT : some things about that topic has been discussed already here Are all bots finally gone?

  • personally i think when anet broke the bots, the botters/rmt ppl got pissed and have been merching piles of previously ill-gotten ectos.


    If you rely solely on buying cons and never farm any youself, who has been contributing to the problem of a shrinking supply?

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  • personally i think when anet broke the bots, the botters/rmt ppl got pissed and have been merching piles of previously ill-gotten ectos.


    If you rely solely on buying cons and never farm any youself, who has been contributing to the problem of a shrinking supply?

    They make loads of in game money so they don't want to do the dirty job of farming their own pcons lol.

    Besides, bots are back, they just missed one event ... So no need to go crazy, you'll get your sweet pcons for cheap during the next event

  • Just a question...


    When was the last time you did the festival events and farmed ANY fortunes yourself?


    Blame a lack of bots, but, its really a lack of everyone...

    It's a lack of players who farm them to make money, because disproportionally many need them.
    Also, you'd have to farm the event 24/7 on like TWENTY accounts just to fill your own pcon needs for a year. Sorry, but I don't have 20 accounts, 40 hands and 48 hours per day.


    When a game loses 98% of its active playerbase that typically introduces some challenges to the economy. For now, bots somewhat balanced that out. But it's honestly time that arenanet just introduces everlasting versions, or vendors to close the gaps.

  • It's a lack of players who farm them to make money, because disproportionally many need them.
    Also, you'd have to farm the event 24/7 on like TWENTY accounts just to fill your own pcon needs for a year. Sorry, but I don't have 20 accounts, 40 hands and 48 hours per day.


    When a game loses 98% of its active playerbase that typically introduces some challenges to the economy. For now, bots somewhat balanced that out. But it's honestly time that arenanet just introduces everlasting versions, or vendors to close the gaps.

    Ok so just to be sure i read that correctly...


    "I use the pcons of 20 ppl in one year, but, cba to help with the supply"


    I'm sure you all want a pcon MERCHANT not TRADER just for constant supply at set prices.


    Give me my dryad bow merchant, vs merchant, bds merchant, etc since we're asking.



    Oh and el cottontail should be useable in explorables, the animations already exist for summoning stones.

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  • this thread is going a bit off where it started to aim.

    My two cents:

    If scs get harder since ppl can't get their pcons that will result in a rise in rare skin items wich will balance out with the additional cost of pcons.

    Maybe the scers will discover that gw is more than rinse and repeat three dungeons/areas and find joy in that.

    Maybe they will try to find new ways to do things without pcon.

    Maybe this will get ppl back to focus that gw isn't a game like aion, where you buff yourself to immortality pretty much. If that's what you are looking for - play aion. I mean you can do pretty much anything in hm with henchies without pcons. Maybe you'll have to actually think and not use 8 permas running through everything and killing the boss - this is certainly not how the developers intended thos so I see no reason whatsoever for them to change anything. Maybe you won't be able to ball 80 lvl 28 mobs in hm and AoE spike them to death in 3 seconds - do you really think that's how DoA Hm was designed?

    General strategy in life: be autonomous. If you rely on others for what you want to do - might be one day the others change their ways of doing and suddenly you're screwed. I mean what kind of mentality is that: There aren't enough others who farm pcons so I can buy them cheap! Let's blame Anet for it!

    No bots is absolutely the right way.

    Sorry - I couldn't hold to myself anymore reading all this here...

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  • Ok so just to be sure i read that correctly...


    "I use the pcons of 20 ppl in one year, but, cba to help with the supply"

    Now please be so friendly to explain how I might possibly help with the supply? There's no way to farm your own supply, how do you expect ME to make up for the shortcomings of the event system? I farmed as much as I could, but with 4 hours a day I farmed barely enough to last me through two weeks.

    If scs get harder since ppl can't get their pcons that will result in a rise in rare skin items wich will balance out with the additional cost of pcons.

    Yeah that has worked fabulously well so far. Oh wait, it didn't? Oops. Pcons are 5x the price of what they used to be, comparatively, with bots. The market is oversaturated with rare items at this point, it's hard to buy or sell anything at reasonable prices at this point.

    Maybe the scers will discover that gw is more than rinse and repeat three dungeons/areas and find joy in that.

    Maybe they will try to find new ways to do things without pcon.

    Some will, sure, most will probably quit. The items are still obtainable so records can't be reset, but records are out of the question because we can't afford them, so where's the point in even playing? Not to mention, personally, I'm not going to play gw without cons and pcons. It's a very slow game showing it's age. Without pcons, it's even slower.

  • Yeah that has worked fabulously well so far. Oh wait, it didn't? Oops. Pcons are 5x the price of what they used to be, comparatively, with bots.


    Ofc not. Point is years of heavy overfarming of rare skins with easy fast runs due to low pcons prices. That's why...

    The market is oversaturated with rare items at this point, it's hard to buy or sell anything at reasonable prices at this point.


    You're writing my arguments. Market will take months or years to react to that.

    Some will, sure, most will probably quit. The items are still obtainable so records can't be reset, but records are out of the question because we can't afford them, so where's the point in even playing? Not to mention, personally, I'm not going to play gw without cons and pcons. It's a very slow game showing it's age. Without pcons, it's even slower.


    I need my diesel cheap. I mean I need my sportscar eating 13liters/100km. I won't drive without. It's just too slow. I also want the bougatti to be cheaper! I mean come on this porsche is so slow. I will go protest now. The government needs to tackle the issue. I want my bougatti. Or I'm out. Fuel taxes are outrageous. Fix them or I'm out.
    Ban child labour? No way. I want my sweater at c&a for 5€. If they ban child labour - I want a vendor for sweaters at the same price. I won't pay more. If they ban child labour they need to tackle that issue.

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  • When the game was alive and there was 98% more population than now, pcons etc were more expensive than now. And people didnt spam it 24/7, also getting money was harder. Idk if someone remember when you did an SC, every1 used to put 1,5k plat in the floor for the guy using conset. Nowadays nop.


    No1 talking about the people that spam consets 24/7 like if they were chewing gums, and they are doing SCs that doesnt give money at all 99,9% of the time, so they are just wasting money. And how they obtain the money to buy those consets etc? Runing bots, its sad, but thats what 80% of the Sc community do.


    PD: Maybe Consets should be cheaper, but people have to know the same pcons they use to do highend stuff people can use it also to level up a charr or do a cooperative in NM, and make the game looks much easier that what it is already (with 7 heroes op builded etc).


    So maybe they should make consets & pcons only spameable in Dungeons and Elite Missions. Put a Pcons npc, and make it cheaper to buy consets.

  • the thing is tho, people have become so spoiled by any buffs,OP builds that people dont really know how to play good. Before the pcon hysteria we didnt have cons fow,uw,deep,urgoz,tombs. They want to play gw with as little effort as possible. Most people are so used to use pcons/cons if anything remotely challenging come their way.


    oh the humanity that your farming only lasts for 2weeks worth of cons/pcons. I cant possible farm the mats myself every 2weeks or so can I?


    Izzy,yeah most people dont even bother to give anything to any randoms.


    People always complain about how they want bots removed from gw,and now its gone people looses their mind over it, and its not because bots are finally gone. No,its because pcons/cons are more expensive. Oh no, I have to spend more platt or ectos for cons. Gw was functioning awesome before pcons/cons came into play as much it has the last decade or so.


    most people that do sc have tons of ectos and arms so they have the money anyways.

  • Idk if someone remember when you did an SC, every1 used to put 1,5k plat in the floor for the guy using conset. Nowadays nop.

    We were more supportive and not used to using them, seeing this as a weakness and not a quality of play.


    The difficulty today in pve is ridiculous if we played XXXX hours. But it is even more ridiculous to play builds that do not work without consumables.

  • The fee was not stuck at 1k5 it was anywhere between 1k2 and 1k5.

    Cons were sold between 7 to 12k and ectos were like 7 8 to 12k ea.

    Yet at the same time pcosn were at least 25e a stack so between 175 and 300k which would translate in 120e per stack as of current rate. Fact is since ppl got replaced by bots, pcons got way cheaper but the dude complaining here probably didn't play pre 2012.

    No1 talking about the people that spam consets 24/7 like if they were chewing gums, and they are doing SCs that doesnt give money at all 99,9% of the time, so they are just wasting money. And how they obtain the money to buy those consets etc? Runing bots, its sad, but thats what 80% of the Sc community do.

    You forgot to mention that they sometimes zone in, see that some trash didn't spawn as wanted resign right off the bat, right after having popped a full set of cons + pcons on each of their toons.

    In fow, uw and doa mainly.


    But what can you do , I've been on their Ts's and since 2016 and ownwards, the sc community is mainly composed of pot heads who only play gw1 ,smoke weed during their free time and wank themselves over their in game accomplishments, deeming anyone not part of the sc community as worthless trash.


    Not that I judge them, idc about their way of life, but I'm just pointing that it could be added.


    Also, the market is flooded with rare items, yet they have never been as expensive as the price they are sold at atm.

    I reckon that up to 2014 it was nearly impossible to sell a q9 eblade for 120e at spammadan because it was deemed to be overpriced.

    People want huge in game profit for being the last ones to exploit an overly farmed place in a dead game. L O L

  • Could I just point out that whilst the subject of P-cons and the wider economy as a whole is a worthy topic of discussion, that’s not what this thread is titled.


    I’m going to grab the wheel a bit and yank it to the right just a tad to get us back on track, away from p-cons and back onto what we’d ask Anet.

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  • Could I just point out that whilst the subject of P-cons and the wider economy as a whole is a worthy topic of discussion, that’s not what this thread is titled.


    I’m going to grab the wheel a bit and yank it to the right just a tad to get us back on track, away from p-cons and back onto what we’d ask Anet.

    Exactly!


    Mb we can make exel doc with actual questions, like it was on reddit and add it to first message on thread?