Speed Clear and pcon shortage discussion

  • This , whatever happened to not needing pcons , used to do fow or uw sc run without those all the time , now you see peoples do run and you can barely see anything since there is so many pcons used it's kinda funny especially the auto clicking one that can't even be bothered to manually reapply them.

  • Cons were sold between 7 to 12k and ectos were like 7 8 to 12k ea.

    Yet at the same time pcosn were at least 25e a stack so between 175 and 300k which would translate in 120e per stack as of current rate. Fact is since ppl got replaced by bots, pcons got way cheaper but the dude complaining here probably didn't play pre 2012.

    I've played since 2006 and started uw speedruns in 2007. Pcons did get "cheaper" in this time, but yet harder to afford. Nowadays you need expensive drops to afford pcons, that has not been the case ever before. And it's only just now because so many bots were banned and barely any were around for Canthan New Year.

    This , whatever happened to not needing pcons , used to do fow or uw sc run without those all the time , now you see peoples do run and you can barely see anything since there is so many pcons used it's kinda funny especially the auto clicking one that can't even be bothered to manually reapply them.

    What happened is that we don't give a sh*t about casuals anymore. We're going for speedruns (records) and just "not using pcons" is just not in the cards when you compete against records that had them readily available.

    When the game was alive and there was 98% more population than now, pcons etc were more expensive than now.

    Translated to platinum, sure. More expensive to afford comparatively to what you earn? Hell no, not even close. Not that we got rich from underworld speedruns, but we were able to afford full pcons and rock candies without much of an issue, not to mention that we didn't have to spend years in kamadan.

    the thing is tho, people have become so spoiled by any buffs,OP builds that people dont really know how to play good. Before the pcon hysteria we didnt have cons fow,uw,deep,urgoz,tombs. They want to play gw with as little effort as possible. Most people are so used to use pcons/cons if anything remotely challenging come their way.

    I can guarantee you that even if you tried you wouldn't come close to what we achieve, pcons there or not. This might sound arrogant, but it's just the difference of years of dedication and improvement compared to a mentality of "lol pcon easy". The entirety of regular gw content is piss easy, including WoC HM without pcons. Compared to getting a good 12 uw or fast doa, at least.

    I need my diesel cheap. I mean I need my sportscar eating 13liters/100km. I won't drive without. It's just too slow. I also want the bougatti to be cheaper! I mean come on this porsche is so slow. I will go protest now. The government needs to tackle the issue. I want my bougatti. Or I'm out. Fuel taxes are outrageous. Fix them or I'm out.

    I'd like to see you propose using slower cars to the F1 scene - to compete in the same category as faster cars.

    So maybe they should make consets & pcons only spameable in Dungeons and Elite Missions. Put a Pcons npc, and make it cheaper to buy consets.

    Finally, a reasonable idea.


    So yes, I would very much be interested in asking ArenaNet if they care about the SC scene and plan on taking actions to prevent that part of the game from dying.

  • I'd like to see you propose using slower cars to the F1 scene - to compete in the same category as faster cars.

    Finally, a reasonable idea.

    lol.

    Did you ever see them complain about fuel prize? See the difference?

    How many percent of population claim to be in the F1? How many of the gw community seems to be in the SC community? Another difference? Maybe reason for the disproportionate PCon pricing?

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  • I'd ask if we're going to see a solution to the pcon shortage induced by the ban of bots. Lunars fortunes are currently going for 35e a stack if you're lucky enough to find any, if this persists through easter the entirety of high end pve will literally die within a year. I mean it surely can't be that much effort to implement a pcon vendor to compensate for it, if they don't want pve to die, surely?

    I hope my post don't get deleted and sorry i can't hold but there is an easy solution if you want your unlimited stock of pcons back,

    find a programmer that knows good assembly and knows how to reverse engineering the game, pay him a small fee to correct the library (API) that most of the scripts use (bots) and release it to the public for free on the well knowed botting forum (don't use it just release it to the public) and leave the rest of the ppl do their job and farm for you, problem solved, there is ppl/members here in the forum that they are active and got involved with writing the API's so not hard to find help if you want.

  • I hope my post don't get deleted and sorry i can't hold but there is an easy solution if you want your unlimited stock of pcons back,

    find a programmer that knows good assembly and knows how to reverse engineering the game, pay him a small fee to correct the library (API) that most of the scripts use (bots) and release it to the public for free on the well knowed botting forum (don't use it just release it to the public) and leave the rest of the ppl do their job and farm for you, problem solved, there is ppl/members here in the forum that they are active and got involved with writing the API's so not hard to find help if you want.

    For one I wouldn't need to pay anyone to do that for me when it's my job. Second, GWCA is public. Third, this doesn't change anything about bots being banned and certainly doesn't bring Canthan New Year any closer again. For this year, it's over and it's now on ArenaNet to put ten minutes of effort into doing what they should've done 7 years ago.

  • lol.

    Did you ever see them complain about fuel prize? See the difference?

    How many percent of population claim to be in the F1? How many of the gw community seems to be in the SC community? Another difference? Maybe reason for the disproportionate PCon pricing?

    If fuel price was raised so much as to make the entire F1 unable to sustain itself from the income and revenue they generate, then yes there would indeed be an outcry. And well, imagine, the F1 would disappear and no longer exist.

  • For one I wouldn't need to pay anyone to do that for me when it's my job. Second, GWCA is public. Third, this doesn't change anything about bots being banned and certainly doesn't bring Canthan New Year any closer again. For this year, it's over and it's now on ArenaNet to put ten minutes of effort into doing what they should've done 7 years ago.

    With that in mind that you are a professional programmer and you kinda knew what was going to happen if ppl didn't had an updated API i think you use the shortage of lunars as an excuse to accomplish a change to the game that it will be a huge advantage to your needs, cause it's not more that 4 hours to fix the api for an experienced programmer and ppl will bot anyways even after bans or something else was going on behind the scenes ???

  • With that in mind that you are a professional programmer and you kinda knew what was going to happen if ppl didn't had an updated API i think you use the shortage of lunars as an excuse to accomplish a change to the game that it will be a huge advantage to your needs, cause it's not more that 4 hours to fix the api for an experienced programmer or something else was going on behind the scenes ???

    I'm using it as an excuse to accomplish a change that will be a huge advantage to my needs? You mean to the needs of everyone except for botters, I guess.


    And I don't know in what world you live in, but it takes considerably longer than four hours to "fix an API" that you've never used or worked on, in a game that you've never attached a debugger to. No matter your level of experience, working with new technologies/software will always take time, plenty more than it is to people who already use and develop it. Not to mention, again, GWCA was fully functional during the time but plenty of people who DID use it to bot, simply got banned again and again. Guess you've missed that part.


    But completely aside of that, is your solution to a skewed event system that doesn't work in this small playerbase seriously "develop tools to give to the public so they can make bots and farm events!"?

  • This , whatever happened to not needing pcons , used to do fow or uw sc run without those all the time , now you see peoples do run and you can barely see anything since there is so many pcons used it's kinda funny especially the auto clicking one that can't even be bothered to manually reapply them.

    coming from the guy that was very recently offering 4e for a gate of desolation mission run. something doesnt compute here

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  • I'm using it as an excuse to accomplish a change that will be a huge advantage to my needs? You mean to the needs of everyone except for botters, I guess.


    And I don't know in what world you live in, but it takes considerably longer than four hours to "fix an API" that you've never used or worked on, in a game that you've never attached a debugger to. No matter your level of experience, working with new technologies/software will always take time, plenty more than it is to people who already use and develop it. Not to mention, again, GWCA was fully functional during the time but plenty of people who DID use it to bot, simply got banned again and again. Guess you've missed that part.


    But completely aside of that, is your solution to a skewed event system that doesn't work in this small playerbase seriously "develop tools to give to the public so they can make bots and farm events!"?

    To your needs and the needs of sc'ers cause i don't know ppl other than sc'ers that play the game in a normal way and doing dungeons etc and have the needs of hundreds pcons stacks and yes thats my solution for a skewed event system if you want em so much cause if ANet wanted to make the change they would be already done it, imagine if they add a pcons npc ppl will start asking for another 100 updates/futures and fixes, and don't forget there is only one developer working on GW and not full time.

  • To your needs and the needs of sc'ers cause i don't know ppl other than sc'ers that play the game in a normal way and doing dungeons etc and have the needs of hundreds pcons stacks and yes thats my solution for a skewed event system if you want em so much cause if ANet wanted to make the change there would be already done it, imagine if they add a pcons npc ppl will start asking for another 100 updates/futures and fixes.

    "This thing hasnt been chanced in years why would it be changed now?" is always a very good argument! /s
    The point is it wouldnt really hurt anyone to have free Pcons, would it? You think the game is too easy with cons/pcons? PRO TIP: DONT USE THEM!
    The SC community is at this point used to being able to pop them, that doesnt mean what they do is easy AT ALL (which can be seen on the regular when someone with only "vanilla" pve experience starts diving into scs), and going back to runs without them would feel like a huge step backwards and slow/boring.

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  • "This thing hasnt been chanced in years why would it be changed now?" is always a very good argument! /s
    The point is it wouldnt really hurt anyone to have free Pcons, would it? You think the game is too easy with cons/pcons? PRO TIP: DONT USE THEM!
    The SC community is at this point used to being able to pop them, that doesnt mean what they do is easy AT ALL (which can be seen on the regular when someone with only "vanilla" pve experience starts diving into scs), and going back to runs without them would feel like a huge step backwards and slow/boring.

    I'm just stating the facts here, i also want updates/fixes and all to be happen to the game but let's be logical here if someone asks for a pcon npc someone else will ask for a weapon mod npc or another change and we go with an endless chain of updates for a game that probably isn't worth the time for ANet to invest cause there are not going to make any money, let's not forget that all the latest updates that we got was a side project of one developer out of love for the game at his free time.

  • I don't see how having a pcon vendor would hurt the non-SC community. It's not like what we are doing is inhibiting however you want to play the game, right?


    Also, your comparison of a pcon vendor to a weapon mod NPC isn't a good one, weapon mods are available in the game year round for anyone to go farm. (Most) pcons can only be farmed during certain times which is why we're running into the supply issue now.

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  • How many times we saw a reddit post for some kind of update or a fix that ppl asked ? who can say what is most important for the game ?

    every player in the game has different needs and maybe plays only a specific mode,

    dubbleclick says that pcons npc is important for sc's, Izzy could say that pvp is important aspect of the game and ANet needs to fix it,

    Red Fireball could say that economy is also important and needs fixing, you see what i did there ?

    I'm all in for changes man, i will be more than happy to write letters/vote and even protest on reddit for fixing the game but at the same time with ANets approach with community communication that is nearly 0% for Guild Wars i'm just a realist and i accept the fact that the game isn't going to get updated.


    I don't see how having a pcon vendor would hurt the non-SC community. It's not like what we are doing is inhibiting however you want to play the game, right?


    Also, your comparison of a pcon vendor to a weapon mod NPC isn't a good one, weapon mods are available in the game year round for anyone to go farm. (Most) pcons can only be farmed during certain times which is why we're running into the supply issue now.

    i just took an example from reddit posts with futures or fixes that ppl were asking, you can put any other kind of future you want instead of the weapon mod npc, why pcons is more important than pvp ? let's fix pvp instead.

  • Yeah I understand that, and I'd also love all of those changes to be made. I see what you did there, it's not addressing my point though. I was mainly aiming at the toxicity towards people who do SC's, or labeling us all as needing bots and not playing the game the "right" way or something.

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  • and this was the last update:

    • Removed the user interface screen that asked players to provide their physical street address when creating a new account.



    dont recall anyone asking for that, but its been a while since I last looked up what folks wanted for updating....

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