The truth about Pre-Nerf

i think blue darkwings/enameled (not even sure if there ever was a blue enameled) can be added to this list aswell, ive done far more than 10k runs @ battledepths now and i did not see any blue ones drop! Ive droped about 20~ darkwings and 4 or 5 enameled (even q8´s) but not a single blue one and since blue should be far more common then gold, i dont think they can still drop.

Not sure about this one , did you farmed HM aswell?

NM only, since HM wont drop q8...but i dont think that makes any difference, i mean ... why should HM drop blue darkwings when NM does not? afaik HM only affects goldie droprate

well, q8/16 sheild do drop in HM, but only in blue. so technicaly blue darkwings should drop as q8 blues in HM aswell.

some guy in my FL did drop blue q8 sws less than 2 month ago, so it's a real fact about HM dropping q8s.

i know that HM can drop q7/8 blue shields, but since blue darkwings (probably) wont drop anymore there is no point in farming HM for them^^ (in HM the chance for blue shields is alot less imo)

Remember whites too. If white can drop so can Blues And vice versa.

exactly, but i did not see any other color drop than gold ... so imo every white/blue/purple darkwing is prenerf ... but ye i am not sure about it, thats just what i can say from my farming so far ... you guys feel free to farm for em yourself and see, maybe u can drop one hehe but as far as i can tell they dont drop anymore

If the nerf happened around 2005 or 2006, and EOTN was released in August 2007, then how could any darkwing defenders possibly be considered pre-nerf? Or am I missing something here? Was there a second such "nerf?"

Tho thats not entirely true there still are bugged items that cannot drop And arent count as prenerf for some reason such as mausos And uncustod BMP items

Not sure if this is the right area to ask, but I have a question about prenerf shields: do dual reductions with -2wE and -2wS exist?

They do

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Not sure if this is the right area to ask, but I have a question about prenerf shields: do dual reductions with -2wE and -2wS exist?

Noooooo..... Max's avatar and profile banner is 100% photoshop xD

lol

Probably should be added to the list

Furious Battle Axe (don't know how it was acquired assume quest reward or removed merchant)

6-21 dmg - req 8

energy +3 (while enchanted)

energy +5 (while hexed)

Its old hod Axe (same source on hod as jos sword)

I have to disagree with this, max : '' Any staff which misses HSR Mod completely, also applies to whites and blues or purples ''

There are still alot of req 0 upto req 3-5 staffs in white/blue quallity available that do not come with an inherent HRS.

Most notably in and around the (old) Ascalon regions from quests and collectors.

Unconditional is indeed pre-nerf but its still available, most notably a Ascalon collectors wand with Unconditional +5 Energy.

Although i noticed one section missing here from this list, and its the green weapons.

Most notably Wroths Holy Rod (20/20 smite)

and Ziinjuu's Sanctuary which had

Energy +5

Holy damage: 7-10

(Requires 5 Smiting Prayers)

Halves casting time of Smiting Prayers spells (Chance: 10%)

Halves skill recharge of Smiting Prayers spells (Chance: 10%)

Smiting Prayers +1 (20% chance while using skills)

Health +10

As we spoke about q8 gold values here Can gold value determine item being prenerf (Discuss!)

Those purple & gold q8s should be added to list aswell

also any non inscri gold weapon ( at any req) with gold value 484g or above is prenerf

(inscriables can have higher values from NF treasures so this doesnt apply to them)

I have a small question.

I've read around that most weapons no longer drop q7/q8 because of PvP imbalance. The thread talks about pre-nerf. As far as I know "to nerf" means to makes something less strong. So my question is; no q7 and q8 max damage weapons got actually changed or "nerfed" after the nerf update right? If they really wanted to nerf all the "OP" weapons at the time I'd expect they automatically changed these obtained q7 and q8 weapons to q9.

So weapons obtained before the nerf update still have Q7 or Q8 today right? Or did they actually change all those weapons which had Q7 and Q8 automatically to Q9?

In this case, the term "nerf" refers to items that no longer drop. The existing items that no longer drop are considered "prenerf" and were not changed, they remain as they were. These will be all of the Q7, Q8 and other items with mods that no longer drop to be kept in collections or put on the market.

Good examples are if you check out the collections thread, many (but not all) of these items are prenerf and still exist in the game today.

Your Beloved Collections

With that being said, Q8 Max Swords, Shields, and Focuses still drop today.

So there’s one thing I’m still confused on. R8 Gold swords can still drop EXCEPT for the Crystalline, Shadow Blade, Zodiac Sword, & Vertebreaker? As in those swords in R8 are pre-nerf, but say a FDS R8 Gold could still drop? Is that correct?

q8 gold swords can drop if they drop from foes or chests in lvl17-21

That means generally swords from uw/fow/urgoz/deep or other high lvl areas cant drop q8.

FDS being core skin and dropping basically everywhere means yes, that can still drop

Thank you Pleikki

Is a Shadow Blade specifically still possible then, or are all foes too high of a level for that to happen? Also, why is that only the case with swords/shields/foci? Why can’t axes/hammers/etc still drop in R8?

Unless I am missing it, can we add Q8 Daggers with 7-17 to this list. Related to question on another post.

Also, Q8 Wands with 11-22 probably should be added.

Thanks!!

Around a week ago I decided to make a reddit guide about pre-nerf/unobtainable stuff aimed at returning players. (Not sure if i'm allowed to link it).

While the post got quickly buried by memes/shitposts, it got me to ask myself a question : Is there any Dye Remover left in the game ?

I know dye remover were replaced by Gray Dye around 2006, I know some dye remover got bugged and created Grey dyes with a red icon (like this one), but is there still some non-bugged dye remover floating around ?

Also, Brick of Mud and Clay Brick are listed as pre-nerf items. As far as I know and from what I can read on the Wiki those items never actually existed in the game (as in nobody ever got a brick of mud or a clay brick in their inventory). Can anybody confirm ?

Here goes : https://old.reddit.com/r/GuildWars/co…006_check_your/

bsoltan My guide doesn't bring anything groundbreaking, it's mostly a mashup of the info from this thread and from the Wiki with some accompanying pictures and a clean presentation.

Yeah my post got buried quite fast, but at least a few returning players were able to make some ecto and some collector got to add new pieces to their collections.

Oni blades are dropped by both Oni and Shiroken. (Oni blades can "commonly" be found in Raisu Palace, which has no Oni.) I believe Tahnnakai Temple (mission) and Sunjiang District (mission and explorable) are the only places where max r8 Oni blades (and other Shiroken-related drops) can still be found. This should include Golden Phoenix Blades as well, as I have gotten one from Tahnnakai Temple before (not r8 tho). The chests have to be near Shiroken bosses, but that's basically always the case in Tahnnakai. I've done chest runs in the mission before just for the sake of trying to get some.

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I was nearly certain oni blades were in the lot of no longer possible in q8, however that seems to be incorrect. I had an oni blade drop from a chest in tannhaki temple mission normal mode and it was a canthan chest which can drop q8. No idea how the hell an oni blade came from the chest as it was only surrounded by affliced at the rit boss. My guess is internally in the game engine the rit boss is actually an oni or maybe there is an oni trigger spot there from the explorable that isn't fully removed?

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Oni blades are dropped by both Oni and Shiroken. (Oni blades can "commonly" be found in Raisu Palace, which has no Oni.) I believe Tahnnakai Temple (mission) and Sunjiang District (mission and explorable) are the only places where max r8 Oni blades (and other Shiroken-related drops) can still be found. This should include Golden Phoenix Blades as well, as I have gotten one from Tahnnakai Temple before (not r8 tho). The chests have to be near Shiroken bosses, but that's basically always the case in Tahnnakai. I've done chest runs in the mission before just for the sake of trying to get some.

Unholy covered the details regarding Shiroken being the driver of Oni skins dropping in those locations.

I frequently run in Sunjiang District for this reason, don't have much luck, but did get this about a year or so ago that continues to give me hope, most people would merch it, I not only collect these in general, this remains proof of the possibility of a q8 max Oni Blade still dropping....

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The NPC high priest zhang in GTOB with a custom client sending custom dialogue packets could obtain any item in game including those that never existed in game.

Can you explain this please? I don't remember what was the purpose of this NPC at all.

Question: did the nerf of the 13%mod on golden items happened before the nerf of the q8 Max dmg axes, bows, daggers dropping?

Thanks in advance

Yes that nerf was much earlier, cantha didnt drop gold 12-13% weapons, while it did drop max q8 weapons. i did look up the update that nerfed 12-13%'s on wiki sometime but cant remember exact date, ive probably posted it this thread or similar even hmm.

For prediction thing, i dont think high priest zhang ever gave zkeys, but only tournament reward points you could exchange to zkeys with tolkano.

I remember when they added the feature and zkey price crashed because everyone was awarded 50 reward points which allowed get 10 zkeys free. Of course the Xunlai tournament house predictions made huge drop to zkey price aswell. Until that their value was very high.